I can think of at least one, but they don't hurry it up I'll be to old to care.
Posted on 06/05/2006 3:54:23 PM PDT by ritewingwarrior
Is the cloning of human babies' tissue an insult to god? Posted at: 22:01
A proposal to create babies that are both cloned and genetically altered to prevent serious hereditary disease has been outlined by the leader of the team that created Dolly the sheep, re-igniting the debate on the moral implications of cloning human beings.
Ever since news that Dolly had been cloned from an adult cell made headlines around the world, Prof Ian Wilmut has repeatedly said he is "implacably opposed" to cloning a human being.
But in his forthcoming book After Dolly, serialised in The Daily Telegraph, he argues that, when the techniques are shown to be safe, society should consider cloning with genetic modification to prevent the birth of babies with serious diseases.
But when Prof Wilmut aired an early version of his proposal two years ago he was criticised for being naive and irresponsible, given the universal opposition to cloning babies.
Do you think the cloning of human babies' tissue violates God's will or the natural scheme of things? Or do you think it is in an individual's constitutional rights to conduct this process?
In what, if any, circumstances do you think the cloning of human beings could be permissible?
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
I think the UK Telegraph failed to capitalize a proper noun in their introductory sentence.
I agree with you...you can't stop science and man's progression...maybe you can slow it down, but it's all gonna end the same way.
But, but don't you remember there has already been a cloned human birth.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3217
It's the same bunch of Progressives who favor abortion and who gave the idea of the Master Race to the Nazis. There is no good reason for even thinking of producing human clones unless one is also thinking of a perfect society and a perfect army to enforce that perfection--or unless we are running short of people [6.5 billion headed to 10 billion].
I'm willing to bet that this is being attempted even now.
Failures are discarded, and there's reason to believe that there are many failures. There are probably a few that make it "full term" and then die. There are probably a few that make it to "live birth" and then die.
All this so that some insignificant scientist can announce that he/she has cloned a human and gain fame and probably a Nobel prize.
You might be able to legislate here, but around the world, forget about it. It's going to happen, and we can't stop it.
That's the silliest thing I've ever read.
I'd be willing to test-drive the Salma Hayek clones...
Did you ever see the movie Cherry 2000?
Good one. Nice literary stunt.
No one is suggesting any such thing. However, the whole-scale implementation of medical human cloning does result in the DEATHS of embryos. As I recall, God said something to the effect of Thou Shalt Not Kill. So yes, He'd probably be insulted by behavior that runs contrary to His rules.
Here we go again...
Not much of a rebuttal.
Harvard research is already implanting human embryos into extra-coporeal uterine tissue and watching it grow, for a time, then be terminated. The key to what limits scientists will impose upon their research is at what age they believe a human being is present in the gestational process. I might ask you that also: at what age do you consider there to be a human being existing, using the scale of conception until age one after birth as a reference to choose from?
I would suspect this has already been done actually. I am so against it. I can't think of any justification for it.
You know, when organ transplants were first done, there was a huge outcry like this. The point is, YOU CAN'T STOP PROGESS.
I had myself cloned before I died, and had all the memories transferred to the new brain.
It's not all a bed of roses, though. I won't be able to drive for years.
Well, the present state of knowledge is rather insufficient. With experimentation, and deeper understanding of whats and hows. a "perfect baby" [in terms of dialing up the genius of Michelangelo and the physique of an Olympic decathlete] could become possible in maybe something like 100-200 years. And the life would become pretty interesting. Imagine everybody around being a high order genius and yourself not even able to sneeze without hitting a masterpiece or two. Sort of Vatican museum, but 24/7/365, admission free, and expanded to the whole planet.
Talk about reinforcing racial stereotypes.
Perfection is complicated.The ugly and stupid people may have greater immune systems . There must be some reason they have survived so long. Were we to replace them with brainiac Barbie dolls the human race would probably be wiped out by a plague.
"The ugly and stupid people may have greater immune systems . There must be some reason they have survived so long."BR>
Cockroaches have survived for much longer. Simple, but very successful design. That's why it will take a century or two to figure these things out.
Human cloning is our destiny.
If we want to be honesy, we may as well admit that most western governemnets, US included, will have done so. As was the case with bioweapons, everyone will justify the actions on a defensive basis...the temptation is too great.
That's a real problem, you know, since it is not at all certain that memory actually resides in the brain.
One of the advantages of making a copy is that you don't even have to fully understand what goes where, as long as you accurately reproduce what is.
In the article, a slice of hippocampus was sequestered on a high density electronic chip, which analysed neuronal and synaptic functions.
This was not suitable for my procedure. Instead, I (we) used a network of optical fiber sensors to infiltrate the two brains, and to impose the synaptic and connective structure of the existing mature brain onto the growing immature one.
The process was quite tedious and time-consuming, requiring us to maintain an inordinately high bandwidth connection between the two brains for months on end, while the clone brain was growing to maturity. Thank goodness for the patience and attention to detail of computer programs.
As to the accuracy of the transcription, who can tell? The mature brain was failing, and the only means of comparing them was the one employed in the process of replication.
I think I have all my old memories, but how would I know? Also, the question of where my soul has migrated, or not, is another I cannot answer.
This sounds like something out of a Mary Shelley novel...sheesh.
I can think of at least one, but they don't hurry it up I'll be to old to care.
In my house, at least literarily, I have to be both Mary and Percy.
Remember the movie Cherry 2000?
Never saw it. Know generally what it was about due to past FR threads.
The threads missed the point. As a work of art it has to be seen; discussion can't make the point.
I thought it was going to be lame, but it was somewhat better than that.
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