Posted on 06/05/2006 10:00:29 AM PDT by kellynla
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush and congressional Republicans are aiming the political spotlight this week on efforts to ban gay marriage, with events at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue - all for a constitutional amendment with scant chance of passage but wide appeal among social conservatives.
"Ages of experience have taught us that the commitment of a husband and wife to love and to serve one another promotes the welfare of children and the stability of society," Bush said in his weekly radio address. "Government, by recognizing and protecting marriage, serves the interests of all."
The president was to make further remarks Monday in favor of the amendment as the Senate opened three days of debate. Neither chamber, though, is likely to pass the amendment by the two-thirds majority required to send it to the states - three quarters of which would then have to approve it.
Many Republicans support the measure because they say traditional marriage strengthens society; others don't but concede the reality of election-year politics.
"Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. "As such, marriage as an institution should be protected, not redefined."
But Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote against it on the floor but allowed it to survive his panel in part to give the Republicans the debate party leaders believe will pay off on Election Day. Specter has chosen a different battle with the Bush administration this week - a hearing Tuesday on the ways the FBI spies on journalists who publish classified information.
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Imagine that! Not enough votes for this but more than enough on that abomination of an amnesty bill.
One is important to them, the other is shilling for votes in an election year.
"A vote for this amendment is a vote for bigotry pure and simple," said Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, where the state Supreme Court legalized gay marriages in 2003.
We need to tell our uninformed church friends that it is the Dems who do not want to protect us from gay marriage. It is the Dems who are pandering to one of tehir very small interest groups, the gays.
Someone answer this.
From everything I have read, the title of this thread is true - "not enough votes" in favor of a "marriage" amendment in the U.S. Senate. Even most conservative "analysts" I read say the same thing.
Bush, I think, knows that too.
So, don't flame me, but is his recent public notice of approval for that amendment different, politically, than his sending national guard troops to the border in the 11th hour of our "national immigration debate"?
In fact, I will go one step further; are we being bated to "come back to the fold" on immigration because: "see, he really is" "with us" on this issue?
I want him to know that he can appeal to us on any "conservative" topic he wants to, but he will not buy my vote on his and the Senate's immigration non-reforms, no matter what.
Marriage is between a Woman and a....snake?
BHUBANESWAR: A woman, who claimed to have fallen in love with a snake got married to the reptile as per Hindu rituals at Atala village of Orissa's Khurda district, 14 km from here.
The unusual marriage took place on Wednesday with over 2,000 people taking out a procession to celebrate the event.
Attired in a silk saree, 30 year-old Bimbala Das was seen sitting for around one hour as priests chanted mantras to complete the ritual.
The snake which lived in an ant hill near her home, however, was not around and a brass replica of a serpent was kept by the side of the woman instead.
Bimbala said: "Though snakes cannot speak nor understand, we communicate in a peculiar way. Whenever I put milk near the ant hill where the Cobra lives, it (the snake) always comes out to drink."
"I always get to see it every time I go near the ant hill. It has never harmed me," she claimed.
When Bimbala disclosed her idea of marrying a snake, villagers reportedly appreciated it saying the marriage will bring good fortune to the area. They also came forward to offer a grand feast for those who came to attend the marriage.
Johnny one-notes.
The world around can go to hell in a hand-baskets - What terrorist plot based in Toronto that involved 2 Americans and targets both in Canada and the US?
Not important.
What destruction of the very fabric of our society and the child abuse being perpetrated on our school children, starting at age 5 - by the perps who are protected while the parents that object are being hand cuffed and hauled off to jail
What other problems -
"There is only one issue: MINE MINE MINE"
ya know, it is time we start electing real conservatives isn't it?
A woman, who claimed to have fallen in love with a snake got married to the reptile as per Hindu rituals at Atala village of Orissa's Khurda district, 14 km from here.
Where is she registered? My wife and I have to get a gift out. You know this just does not interest me at all. Congratulations to her. Now really this is hurting us so much, how? I married in a Catholic Church so I go by the teachings, but not everyone is Catholic so they do their own thing. I don't get the worry about gay marriage. I would never have known people married other people of the same sex or snakes if it was not for FREEPERS. Honestly, I swear I never heard of a women marry a snake before FREEPERS. What does this say about my friends who do not read this site. There lives are so awful because women are marrying snakes and they don't know about it. Our marriages are doomed.
LOL, it's become an obsession for some.
Keep in mind it only required 51 votes to pass the immigration bill. It will require 67 votes to amend the constitution for a gay marriage ban, so you can't really compare the two. If the immigration bill required 67 votes, it would not have passed either since I believe it got 63 votes.
You only have to look at the history of abortion to see the relevancy of having a marriage amendment to the Constitution. If we had had a ban on abortion in the Constitution before 1973 those horrid men on the SC could not have made abortion legal. Same with gay marriage. If there is a ban in the Constitution some judge is not going to be able to come along and nullify marriage as being just between a man an a woman. Right now there are four states where judges have nullified amendments to state constitutions banning same sex marriage. You are right that God has sanctified marriage as between a man and a woman but the state can come along and make it very difficult to keep marriage that way in society. I for one don't want to leave my grandchildren the legacy of perversion.
The appeal is far beyond that of just social conservatives.
Watch it catch on here. Snakes ... .
I think you miss the point. The legitimacy of marriage is something that no law can give credence to. But, to the extent it conveys legal rights and status it should be decided by the VOTERS not courts. That is what this issue is about.
Well said, Flip.
The thing is, married couples have rights that non-married couples don't have. They can adopt children, for example, or have legal protection to rent homes. And the government schools tend to promote "normal" marriage in textbooks, etc.
If gays can get the legal status of "married," then they can sue to have their "normalized" status promoted in school textbooks, they can sue landlords who don't want to rent to fudgepackers, they can adopt children, they can sue organizations that provide help to those wanting to escape the gay lifestyle, they can demand Christian charities accept their lifestyle, and so on.
It has real consequences.
I have to dust off the cobwebs in my head to reply to this, because I haven't studied this for a while, but if I recall correctly, marriage has always been considered more of a civil/social institution as opposed to a strictly religious one. The various religions have become involved in it but I believe that came from a time when a religion and a community were more closely-knit and closely-identified. Over time, elements of Christianity developed a sacramental understanding of marriage as a divine grace dispensed by the Church and consummated by the married couple, but others do not have this understanding, and so a wedding for them is a public testimony before the community, and with God's blessing, that this couple is married. (I think the idea that the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, etc. would try to impose their understanding of marriage on the rest of society is a moot point, since they don't claim that their laws apply to non-members, and certainly they don't offer their sacraments to non-members.)
If I recall correctly, Christian clergy did not get involved as functionaries of the state until well after Christianity because "official" in the Roman Empire, or what was left of it. But, at least according to marriage laws in the United States, no religious official is required to perform (or be primary witness to) a marriage, but some duly-authorized person (judge, justice of the peace) is required. (I don't know what Quakers do.)
Another thing that I think has made marriage more of a social/civil institution as opposed to a strictly religious one is the concern for all of the things that come along with a marriage -- the assertion that each spouse has legal rights that require protection if the other breaks the bonds of marriage; the concern that children are properly protected and cared for; the settlement of divorces; and the dispersal and disposition of property in the event of divorce or the death of one or both of the spouses.
Marriage is too complex an institution for it to be considered the simple sacred union of two isolated individuals. It is that, but it's also a lot more than that.
I know that I didn't answer your question as to why conservatives would support a government definition of marriage, but I did try to answer how and why government, whatever that might mean at any given time and place in human history, has had an involvement and an interest in the details of the institution.
The Constitution is supposed to be about government behavior, not personal behavior. The attempt to change/outlaw one form of personal behavior was thumpingly reversed in a little more than a decade. Why do you want to change the focus of the Constitution?
Same type of rope a dope that the rat's have pulled on black voters for years.
VERY well put
This is just President Bush's feeble attempt at shoring up his base and can be largely ignored. I suspect the base's level of outrage (cause mostly by the amnesty bill) will not be touched by this.
Why not pass it and let the PEOPLE HAVE A VOTE on it?
"BHUBANESWAR: A woman, who claimed to have fallen in love with a snake got married to the reptile as per Hindu rituals at Atala village of Orissa's Khurda district, 14 km from here."
I used to laugh when people claimed marriage between people of the same gender would lead to marriage with animals, but I now must bow to their superior wisdom. Even worse, I already have some friends who claim they are married to icebergs.
Whenever you are ready, we will welcome you back to reality from whatever dream world you are in.
I often wonder how I ended up with three kids. I guess it was before all this gay marriage talk. Actually the real reason I am against the amendment is more to do with government interference than gay marriage, but either way it does not bother me or my wife and somehow my three kids are surviving as well. I really feel horrible about some people who worry about it and stay up at night consummed with angst. I also laugh about the stories that doom is coming with the people marrying their dogs and cats and snakes and horses and even dolphins (someone posted a picture of the ceremony on our conservative site). I found it a hoot. Believe me, I am conservative as the next guy, but when you go to great lengths as that then I just have to laugh.
I've never seen their recruiting offices or their contracts, or their tv commercials; do they have a scholarship program? Do parents have to sign the contract for minors? How long does boot camp last?
I'll bet the uniforms are FABULOUS.
This is called progress!?
Every time two sexual deviants get married, in nothing more than a blatant attempt to convince themselves and others that they are normal, it makes a mockery of marriage.
Well, that effort's not successful, but the uniforms ARE a disappointment. :-\
(The only "NHS" I know is the National Health Service).
The Republicans are using the gay marriage card in the similar fashion that the Democrats use the Social Security card. When they are in trouble in the polls, they will bring up these issues.
I will not get distracted with such cheap tricks. If the Republicans don't secure the borders and stem the tide of both legal and illegal immigration, there will be no free America to issue marriage certificates to gays, or straights for that matter.
i am against abortion but you don't amend the constitution ever to take away rights.
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