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The Persian Complex
NY Times ^ | May 25, 2006 | ABBAS AMANAT

Posted on 05/26/2006 11:13:28 PM PDT by neverdem

IT is easy to label Iran's quest for nuclear energy a dangerous adventure with grave regional and international repercussions. It is also comforting to heap scorn on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for his earlier denial of the Holocaust and his odious call for the obliteration of the state of Israel. The rambling intransigence expressed in his recent letter to President Bush offers ample insight into this twisted mindset. Yet there is something deeper in Iran's story than the extremist utterances of a messianic president and the calculated maneuvering of the hard-line clerical leadership that stands behind him.

We tend to forget that Iran's insistence on its sovereign right to develop nuclear power is in effect a national pursuit for empowerment, a pursuit informed by at least two centuries of military aggression, domestic meddling, skullduggery and, not least, technological denial by the West. Every schoolchild in Iran knows about the C.I.A.-sponsored 1953 coup that toppled Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh. Even an Iranian with little interest in his or her past is conscious of how Iran throughout the 19th and 20th centuries served as a playground for the Great Game.

Iranians also know that, hard as it may be for latter-day Americans and Europeans to believe, from the 1870's to the 1920's Russia and Britain deprived Iran of even basic technology like the railroad, which was then a key to economic development. At various times, both powers jealously opposed a trans-Iranian railroad because they thought it would threaten their ever-expanding imperial frontiers. When it was finally built, the British, Russian (and American) occupying forces during the Second World War made full use of it (free of charge), calling Iran a "bridge of victory" over Nazi Germany. They did so, of course, after Winston Churchill forced the man who built the railroad, Reza Shah...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; Politics/Elections; Russia; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; geopolitics; iran; mahmoudahmadinejad; persia; persian; proliferation; southwestasia

1 posted on 05/26/2006 11:13:31 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

defending the enemy has been called treason in the past. thought there was a law...


2 posted on 05/26/2006 11:17:12 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: neverdem
>> Abbas Amanat is a professor of history at Yale <<

Unbelievable. ( Or maybe not.)
3 posted on 05/26/2006 11:19:19 PM PDT by sd-joe
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To: sd-joe

And a pity we don't have a modern day Churchill to face down dinner-jacket and the mad mullahs today.


4 posted on 05/26/2006 11:24:57 PM PDT by spokeshave (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than drive over a bridge with Ted Kennedy)
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To: spokeshave

I have hopes that Pres Bush will stick to this one. He has done pretty good in foreign affairs (stuck with the Iraq thing, etc.) (Don't get me started on domestic affairs however.)


5 posted on 05/26/2006 11:30:31 PM PDT by sd-joe
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To: kinoxi

I thought it was a very good article. He did however, neglect to mention the need to keep some dictators in power in the fight against the commies.


6 posted on 05/26/2006 11:30:43 PM PDT by MiHeat
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To: MiHeat

i am missing your point


7 posted on 05/26/2006 11:34:00 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
defending the enemy has been called treason in the past. thought there was a law...

How do you know if the author is a U.S. citizen? The Constitutional requiements for treason are pretty strict, IIRC. I posted it for the history prior to the 1950s.

8 posted on 05/26/2006 11:37:08 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
good point, could be IHT and living in europe
9 posted on 05/26/2006 11:40:01 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: neverdem
Ah yes, the 'its Americas fault' argument. Of course, if not for the evil Americans the Iranians would all be trusting and loving and completely peaceful.

I'm not going to bother to read all the way to the end of this propaganda to see the part where he says that we just just 'talk' to the nutbags and stop accept their explanation that they need nuclear power (cuz that oil is just to hard to turn into electricity) as a sign of national pride.

I bet this apologist author knows Madeleine HalfBright very well.

10 posted on 05/26/2006 11:51:11 PM PDT by bpjam (We take 12M Mexican, they have to take Kennedy & McCain!)
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To: Grampa Dave; ASA Vet


Consider the sources....ping.

11 posted on 05/27/2006 12:04:11 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny!)
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To: neverdem
Iran has a complicated history that tends to get glossed over in the media. Interestingly, from the perspective of Iranian exiles, both monarchists and republicans, the US has among the best reputations among western powers for respectful treatment of Iran in its past history (20th and 19th century). For various reasons, the US never really developed its colonial attitude in the same sense that the Europeans did, and the US has garnered some unintended goodwill as a result.

Make no mistake, the current Iranian state is run by some twisted people that do not like the US. But condemning them as a country and people would be like condemning the Polish people for being a part of the Warsaw Pact during the Cold War. If it was not for the current regime, the US would likely have very good relations with Iran in the same sense that the US has historically had close ties with the Polish people despite its transient occupation by the Soviet Union.

The Iranians are essentially decent and educated people with no antipathy for the US under the thumb of an oppressive anti-US regime, as has happened many times in history. It would do us well here to remember this, though I expect that the US government does remember this. If we handle this situation well, we can come up smelling like roses.

12 posted on 05/27/2006 12:09:38 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: bpjam
I'm not going to bother to read all the way to the end of this propaganda...

Oh, do I literally hate to read such comments. Guess why?

Read comment# 6 and what I wrote in comment# 8. You can't understand an enemy without some knowledge of their history. I wrote it for the history prior to the 1950s.

13 posted on 05/27/2006 12:16:46 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Saw your comments and generally agree. History is a good thing and I won't even question the historical account. Its the spin under which it was presented by the 'historian' which I object to. There is a bunch of people out there now trying to create the no-confront approach to Iran right now.


14 posted on 05/27/2006 12:21:29 AM PDT by bpjam (We take 12M Mexican, they have to take Kennedy & McCain!)
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To: neverdem
We tend to forget that Iran's insistence on its sovereign right to develop nuclear power is in effect a national pursuit for empowerment, a pursuit informed by at least two centuries of military aggression, domestic meddling, skullduggery and, not least, technological denial by the West.

Persians!

They are the Mullahs' weak spot.

I hope we are encouraging the Persians and their Persian identity.

That Persians, with their might history, must choose, must make their hard choice. That all things must come to pass and now it is the time for the Mullahs to pass away.

It is time the Persians rise again. Time to throw off the yoke of Islamic slavery and lead their proud and storied nation, Iran, to a new beginning of freedom, modernization and shared wealth with the nations of the world.

Overthrow the Mullahs.

That a new Iran, a Persian Iran, rises as a trusted member of nations among the world, a nation respecting her citizens and a nation who respects the other nations of the world. A nation whose history demands remembrance, a nation who can stand tall in her homeland; Iran. A nation trusted to be at peace with the all other nations.

Overthrow the Mullahs.

The Mullahs' only deliver slavery. Stand by faith.

Overthrow the Mullahs.

Persians!

Being a Persian. An Iranian! Being free of the Mullahs' yoke.

We welcome you.

15 posted on 05/27/2006 12:26:34 AM PDT by A message
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To: neverdem

from the 1870's to the 1920's Russia and Britain deprived Iran of even basic technology like the railroad, which was then a key to economic development.

Western technology was denied. They still had flying carpets.


16 posted on 05/27/2006 12:46:13 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: neverdem
... from the 1870's to the 1920's Russia and Britain deprived Iran of even basic technology like the railroad,...

At the turn of the 20th century the Shah of Persia contributed money to the building of the Hejaz railroad that ran between Damascus and Medina. Is the author saying that the Shah of Persia was unable to do the same in Persia?

17 posted on 05/27/2006 2:20:12 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: neverdem

Not a perfect summary. But one needs to grasp their view of regional history to see how they shape propaganda against the West.


18 posted on 05/27/2006 4:18:32 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: neverdem

Yeah..well we all remember the sacking of Athens too.


19 posted on 05/27/2006 5:08:06 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: neverdem
Having realized they are too pacifist to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons, the left decides to start appeasing them and dressing them up in their anti-imperialist hero clothes. After all, maybe savages will destroy capitalism, as the left has dreamed of all along. That is the whole point of the left, you know. Hatred of bourgois existence pushed to the point of cold blooded murder in the pursuit of power. So yeah, Iran is right up their alley. If only the nuts would just cool the religious angle a little and become communists. But ah well, any anticapitalist barbarian in a storm.
20 posted on 05/27/2006 6:55:44 AM PDT by JasonC
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