White House compares illegal immigration to speeding

The Examiner ^ | May 26, 2006 | Bill Sammon

[clawrence3]

I would gladly agree to built a 2000 mile wall if abortion was outlawed.

[clawrence3]

Well, I've been here longer than just about anyone and I haven't seen them.

That's funny - you posted several times on that very thread I linked to above, including the following:

"Legal immigration is not necessarily the panacea everyone pretends it is. I am not proposing a permanent stop to legal immigration. I propose a moratorium on it until we can control who is actually coming through our borders and working in our country and then we'll start letting in legal migrants on our own terms and only when it can be proven to benefit America first and not benefit a foreign nation, and multi-national corporation who no longer owes their allegiance to America, or any other entity other than red, white, and blue Americans."

165 posted on 04/04/2006 6:55:42 AM PDT by Spiff

Even so, what does that have to do with the topic of this thread?

You, among others, were contending that I was the one who can't differentiate between "legal" and "illegal" immigration - I actually want NONE of the latter - others here want to stop BOTH.

Were we discussing the opinions on immigration policy of a few unnamed FReepers and I missed it?

See above link.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Anything over 100 mph is a felony in many states... Also, what is the average fine for speeding 20 mph over the limit???

Illegal immigration is in no way comparable. Now, if they would apply my speeding fines to my health insurance.

Of course, my health insurance premiums are going up. Why? Illegals using the hospitals and not paying their bills.

[RobRoy]

I love analogies. That one was brilliant!

[Arizona Carolyn]

I noticed (after I posted) that in my haste the spelling and sentence structure suffered -- a lot. At any rate, seems it fell on deaf ears.

[clawrence3]

I liked your "house-cleaning" analogy too, but I objected to very first premise: that I was the one who does not understand the difference between "legal" and "illegal" immigration - so, I'm not ignoring it. There are people here at FR who want to stop all the illegal house-cleaning as well as all LEGAL house-cleaning. Apart from that, what I would object to in my private home is very different from what I would object to in my country as a whole. The reason(s) I have walls in my private house, for instance, are very different - sometimes the opposite - from why this country should have walls. Does that help?

[clawrence3]

Are you still around?

[Arizona Carolyn]

No, because other than the walls you site, there is no difference, and if the Senate version stands we are about to significantly expand the size of our govenment and their intrusion into our lives. Little by little the RINO's are helping the Dems turn us into a socialistic utopia (utopia for the government, not the people).

[clawrence3]

There are plenty of other differences. If people break into my house, there is no other legal authority for me to call except the government and, even if I invited them in, that is not socialism. Now, you point about the government going towards socialism is valid, and I want the stopped for illegal aliens AS WELL AS for citizens (probably enough there for another whole thread). The members of my household did not voluntarily give-up "border control" to me in any way similar to the federal-State relationship. There are no taxes pooled for the common good. National sovereignty carries many other issues that the 4 walls of an individual home do not - I could keep going if you like? While useful, for some purposes, it's called an "analogy" precisely because the two situations are NOT the same.

[michigander]

While it is illegal to sneak across the border or overstay a visa, there is NO LAW ANYWHERE that says staying in this country is a crime, afterwards.

Really?

U.S. Code
TITLE 8
CHAPTER 12
SUBCHAPTER I
§ 1101. Definitions

(a) As used in this chapter—

(3) The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.

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SUBCHAPTER II—IMMIGRATION
Part VII—Registration of Aliens
§ 1302. Registration of aliens

(a) It shall be the duty of every alien now or hereafter in the United States, who

(1) is fourteen years of age or older,
(2) has not been registered and fingerprinted under section 1201 (b) of this title or section 30 or 31 of the Alien Registration Act, 1940, and

(3) remains in the United States for thirty days or longer, to apply for registration and to be fingerprinted before the expiration of such thirty days.

(b) It shall be the duty of every parent or legal guardian of any alien now or hereafter in the United States, who

(1) is less than fourteen years of age,

(2) has not been registered under section 1201 (b) of this title or section 30 or 31 of the Alien Registration Act, 1940, and

(3) remains in the United States for thirty days or longer, to apply for the registration of such alien before the expiration of such thirty days. Whenever any alien attains his fourteenth birthday in the United States he shall, within thirty days thereafter, apply in person for registration and to be fingerprinted.

(c) The Attorney General may, in his discretion and on the basis of reciprocity pursuant to such regulations as he may prescribe, waive the requirement of fingerprinting specified in subsections (a) and (b) of this section in the case of any nonimmigrant.

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§ 1306. Penalties

(a) Willful failure to register

Any alien required to apply for registration and to be fingerprinted in the United States who willfully fails or refuses to make such application or to be fingerprinted, and any parent or legal guardian required to apply for the registration of any alien who willfully fails or refuses to file application for the registration of such alien shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not to exceed $1,000 or be imprisoned not more than six months, or both.