Posted on 05/19/2006 7:02:15 PM PDT by woofie
Long article :
Did a preacher's obsessions push Dena Schlosser over the edge?
"Stop that!" Carolyn Thomas snapped. Her best friend Dena Schlosser was driving with her eyes closed, hissing like a snake.
"SSSSSSssssss..."
"Open your eyes and look at the road!" Thomas said. "Put your mind on Jesus."
The weird behavior had started as soon as Schlosser and her three girls had gotten in the car with Thomas after an evening service at Water of Life church in Plano. Schlosser was chanting something under her breath--"I'm stupid, I'm evil..." Thomas had told her friend over and over: Talk to me when those crazy ideas start rattling around in your head. And girl, stay on your medication!
"Dena, in this car I feel a heaviness," Thomas said. She sensed a foul spirit in the air, a demon of depression.
"Yeah," Schlosser said.
Thomas started praying out loud, and her friend joined in.
Schlosser calmed down for a moment. "Do you know," she asked, "if people, demons, can come in and disrupt your house?"
"Sure," Thomas said. "That's what we're taught. Spirits can get into people and use them for wrong. Spirits can get into your baby, husbands, relatives..."
They stopped at a grocery store, and when Thomas returned to the car, Schlosser seemed her normal self. Thomas put the strange incident behind her.
A week later, Dena Schlosser's grotesque actions would grab headlines around the country. Schlosser, immersed in a world of demons and doom, would kill her youngest child by sawing off her arms as she lay in her crib. She was convinced that evil spirits had invaded her home.
Thomas was talking to a Plano police detective when she suddenly remembered her conversation in the car with Schlosser. "Spirits can get into your baby..."
(Excerpt) Read more at dallasobserver.com ...
Thanks for posting that..not.
eye for an eye works for me
I know a way for her to lose 15 ugly pounds.
Maybe we could get her a date with John Hinkley.
Well, I read about half of it, but it's very long.
A history of disaster. Two people with problems hooking up to a demonic preacher, if you want my opinion of the guy. The problem isn't the "demon Jezabel," the problem is a preacher who thinks he's God and can publicly pursue adultery because he's above normal morality.
And the wife had water on the brain as a child. And her mother has Parkinson's. And she's looking for an authority figure to tell her what to do.
One thing piling up on top of another. Dreadful.
Yep....there is not a sane adult in the group....
Her church sounds like a conspiracy-theorist website come to life: The world isn't disordered and chaotic, it's actually in the thrall of some evil being or group that is the source of all misfortune.
This is what happens when people attend churches that don't require that they read the Bible themselves.
This guy Dole Davidson is still out there wreaking havoc
Dole =Doyle
Ah yes... Blame the preacher for your actions; Blame your
mother for your actions; Blame your husband for your actions; or Blame the President for your actions.
Tell me again, WHO committed the action?
There are a lot of liberal TOLLS posting here today.
Did you read the article?
The woman was nuts, the friend was nuts , the husband was nuts, the preacher was nuts, ...I'll let someone else sort it out.
What is a Liberal Toll anyway?
Someone who bakes trollhouse cookies?
Or even a preacher that thinks he's a doctor and hasn't even stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
One day in church, Davidson says, Patti laid hands on a woman, and all of sudden Patti and the woman began laughing hysterically. Strange spiritual manifestations quickly spread through the congregation: Spirits threw people to the floor; people were screaming. Much of this was broadcast on live television. Patti, Davidson says, erred by laying hands on the woman. "She yielded her members to a false Christ," he says. "That day a division came between us--like Patti was in another world. She said, 'I have nothing in common with you. I'm not a part of your life. All I ask, just love me--don't leave me.'"
The evil spirit to which Patti yielded infected everyone in the congregation, prompting Davidson to announce he'd lost control. Jezebel had taken over, and he was forced to cast the hussy out, over and over. It was great TV and money rolled in, enough that the debt on the building was retired in 1985.
Unreal. Great TV. I love that part.
Read what was posted here. First line...
"Did a preacher's obsessions push Dena Schlosser over the edge?"
That's a blaming the preacher for this woman's murdering of her children.
The entire world can be crazy, doesn't give her license to murder. Especially her children.
I particularly like the line on page 4 when they describe the town.... "It's a conservative heaven.".
Yep, I knew they had to get us mad conservatives in there somewhere.
I don't think woofie was suggesting anywhere that anyone has license to murder. Did you read the full 10 page article? I think that woofie's point is that everyone involved in the whole story is looneyer than bedbugs. After reading the full 10 page story I have to agree with him.
Working my way through it, painful bit by painful bit.
Now just how exactly is the preachers affair the cause of the murder?
Answer: Its not at all related to it. Some liberal wanted to trash conservatives and chose to weave a tangled story making that connection.
The woman was diagnosed as being psychotic. CPS was involved. I wonder what happened to them - are they crazy too?
"By now Child Protective Services had intervened. After interviewing the kids--one girl called her mother's suicide attempt "a devil's trick," according to The Dallas Morning News--CPS ruled that Dena couldn't be alone with them. Since John had to work all the time, that added another pressure. For a while, a counselor checked on Dena every day."
Oh, that's what happend to CPS. Looks like the case worker blew it.
Sometimes mentally ill people find a justification for their warped thinking in an equally warped church. They're almost encouraged to become sicker. I see this a lot in charismatic churches throughout the South. I've been to more than 100 churches in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Tennessee.
See, now it is all the evil dads fault. Let me see, just wat are they saying here.
"Just get out and work girl - that will cure your psychosis. Its being at home that is making you crazy.
That and your man who is keeping you home and who 'owns' you."
This whole article is written from a liberal, feminist, anti-patriarchy, anti-conservative point of view. Is it any wonder that all the main characters are portrayed unsympathetically and that CPS's wrongfull closing of the case is glossed over.
Nah just joking. Chill. ;^)
Now what is the relationship between these two story lines? There isn't one. The only real fact on the killing is that Dena is psychotic. No kidding.
The preachers affair and obsession with Lisa is not remotely related and did not cause the psychosis.
Dena was diagnosed as suffering from "bi-polar disorder, severe, with psychotic features." At first, she was found incompetent to stand trial. But a cocktail of medications pulled her out of her psychosis, and the court eventually deemed her fit.
Dena's trial ended in a hung jury. After the verdict, medical tests revealed that she has an inoperable brain tumor; there's no way to know how long it had been there or if it affected her psychosis.
Oh looky. A BRAIN TUMOR.
After all that color and yellow journalism they finally get down to what caused the woman to kill her kids. A BRAIN TUMOR.
Wasn't the preacher.
Wasn't the preacher's sermsons.
Wasn't the husband.
Wasn't the dying mother.
Wasn't CPS.
The preacher sounds like the craziest one of all, if you ask me. And I love how some folks are so willing to let these neglectful husbands off the hook. Presumably they are not insane, so I'd like to know what their excuse is when they leave their children in the care of woman who are obviously fit for Bellevue and nowhere else.
Yep. Finally done.
It is a solid, liberal, feminist hit piece.
The woman had a brain tumor. End of story.
Your FRprofile explains a lot about your atitude...
I think you are partly right...the article has a liberal slant, but the preacher, a former horse vet who thinks the spirit of Jezebel is running around Plano and that God has given him another man's wife ..is equally certifiable ....and while we are all ultimately responsible for what we do ...if I was in a position of authority and around that woman I would hope I would have the common sense to at least try to get her committed. Lets just say the preacher did not exactly help the situation
She had also been diagnosed as manic depressive and was not taking her medicines
Maggie was born on January 9, 2004, in the Schlossers' apartment with the help of a midwife. "By that time, the home birth--everything--was God's will," Macauley says. That, and they had no health insurance.
The next day, Dena tried to slash her wrists with a pair of scissors. Her injuries weren't serious. She later told a psychiatrist she wanted to prove her faith that God would heal her.
Six days after the birth, Dena ran screaming down the street, her daughter Kelsie pedaling after her on a bike. Diagnosed as psychotic, Dena spent two days at Green Oaks psychiatric hospital, where she was given a prescription for Haldol and Ativan and released. Dena later told a psychiatrist she didn't want to leave the hospital, but her husband had "prayed about it" and wanted her home.
A few days after her release, Dena couldn't sleep and tried to walk to Green Oaks. She stopped at a pay phone and called her husband, who again talked her out of being hospitalized.
By now Child Protective Services had intervened. After interviewing the kids--one girl called her mother's suicide attempt "a devil's trick," according to The Dallas Morning News--CPS ruled that Dena couldn't be alone with them. Since John had to work all the time, that added another pressure. For a while, a counselor checked on Dena every day.
Carolyn Thomas harped on Dena to take her meds but would later tell Plano police that John wouldn't buy the drugs she needed consistently. Dena would take the medicine for a while, then stop. Thomas was convinced Dena was simply following her husband's lead.
I think the CDC should send a team into their community to determine why so many people there are NUTS. Maybe it's something in the local water supply...
I agree
Why didn't the psychiatrist find the brain tumor? Before diagnosing Dena Schlosser as manic deperessive, she should have ruled out diseases such as a brain tumor.
It doesnt look like this woman spent much time with a psychiatrist....dont really know much about the brain tumor angle
Or churches that say every believer is equally equipped to interpret the Bible the way that seems right to them...
"Your FRprofile explains a lot about your atitude..."
My atitude is just fine that you.
"I think you are partly right..."
Oh really? That's a start in the right direction.
"...if I was in a position of authority and around that woman I would hope I would have the common sense to at least try to get her committed. Lets just say the preacher did not exactly help the situation"
Neither apparently did CPS!
I suppose it is much more colorful to bash the preacher.
Except they did'nt tell the bible thumpers it was Jerry. They heard demonic things, untill they were told who it was.
Listening to speach/music in reverse is like looking at clouds. You hear/see what you're looking for.
News flash: I am criticizing the reporter for a stupid story. The preacher should have been trashed on his own merits. What that paper did was yellow journalism at its worst. The preacher did not commit the murder, nor was he involved in it. The juxatposition of the two stories is indefensible. It is unclear whether or not the brain tumor was even present at the time she murdered her child. Doctors have said they have never known a tumor of this type to cause the delusional behavior she experienced.
Brain tumors don't grow overnight. Of course it was present when she murdered her child.
The reporter makes a point not to blame the incident entirely on the preacher
Not blame him entirely? So what are you saying, that he is only 75% responsible?
Many blamed his obsession with the demonic and use of violent images for Schlosser's mental illness. That isn't fair, though; the seeds of Dena's insanity were sown early in her childhood, and a long string of failures by others--including her husband, psychiatrists and Child Protective Services--preceded Maggie's horrific death.
Oh right, OTHERS are responsible for her insanity!!!
If I talk harshly to you today are you going to go insane? Rubbish.
I don't know if you are a believer or not but you shouldn't automatically defend this guy. I know him and several of the players involved and his behavior toward Schlosser as well as his adultery and blasphemy is indefensible.
Now how is any of that related to the murder?
Again, there is no relationship between any of those things and the murder of the child by the insane mother. To intertwine the two as if they are related is completely irresponsible.
As she had been counseled by her preacher. Perhaps he's not legally responsible, but it was still a rather poor idea.
This guy needs to go back to being a horse Doctor.
"SSSSSssssss..."
"Stop that!" Carolyn Thomas snapped. Her best friend Dena Schlosser was driving with her eyes closed, hissing like a snake.
"SSSSSSssssss..."
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