Illegal border crossers step up effort to enter U.S. after Bush's speech

KVOA Tucson Channel 4 News ^ | Paul Cicala

[SandRat]

Thousands of illegal immigrants cross the U.S-Mexico border into Arizona every day.

“To better yourself, for your family, and for a better life,” says Alfonso Miramontez, who’s from Los Mochis, Sinaloa, a town that's about an 8-hour bus ride from Nogales.

Miramontez says, once he heard the U.S. might be sending National Guard troops to the border, he immediately headed north, and was planning to illegally cross into Arizona Monday night.

“It’ll now be much harder to cross through the desert," says Miramontez, ”but the Army (National Guard) on the border won’t stop me.”

Like Miramontez, Eduardo Reyes, an immigrant from Mexico City, just arrived to the border town of Nogales, Sonora with the intention, “of crossing into Arizona and finding work in the United States,” says Reyes.

Miramontez says, “It’s bad in Mexico. It’s also hard because the U.S. soldiers are fighting wars in other countries, and now, many are going to be along the border. When I cross, it scares me and makes me think twice.”

Miramontez adds, “I just want to be happy, and I’ll try to work in the U.S., no matter what happens.”

[SandRat]

WANTED for Violating US LAW


Alfonso Miramontez says, once he heard the U.S. might be sending National Guard troops to the border, he immediately headed north, and was planning to illegally cross into Arizona Monday night.

[SandRat]

Border PING

[A CA Guy]

So this points again that the first thing we need to do is to SECURE THE BORDERS.

[A CA Guy]

So this points again that the first thing we need to do is to SECURE THE BORDERS.

[sangoo]

I know that the President is very understanding of people who just want to better themselves and their families. Is bank robbery going to be OK now with the new amnesty plan?

[KoRn]

I hope this POS met with some sort of significant misfortune along the way.

[Personal Responsibility]

...and when he gets asked how long he has been in the country he will say "a little over 6 years....Now shut up and give me my card, Gringo!"

[VOA]

It’s also hard because the U.S. soldiers are fighting wars in other countries,
and now, many are going to be along the border. When I cross, it scares me
and makes me think twice.”

Not to worry Alfonso.
You're not illegally entering Mexico's southern border.
If you were doing that, you'd be very afraid.
And/or killed.

[smoothsailing]

Sounds like we will see a "spike" up in illegals trying to get in before the Guard is in place. To be expected, I suppose.

Good reason for W to come out tomorrow and say; " I was just kidding about the 6,000 Guardsmen. It's really gonna be 6,000 spec op snipers."

(Yeah, I know, I'm bad)

[Old Sarge]

My God, what must our troops in Iraq think... ?

You don't want to know.

You really, truly don't.

[Americanwolfsbrother]

Estimates for the first 3 months of 2006 have approximetely 470,000 illegal aliens crossing through Arizona. We'll be looking at between 1.5 and 2 million coming through Arizona this summer as they try to beat the enforcement on the border. Residents of Arizona are going to take it in the shorts on this one and our lovely governor is going to help the illegals as much as she can.AWB

[gubamyster]

ping

[SandRat]

Sheriff Joe and his Posse could be quite busy.

[jpsb]

After listening to President Bush's speech if I lived in Mexico I'd pack my things and head north too.

[nicmarlo]

Residents of Arizona are going to take it in the shorts on this one and our lovely governor is going to help the illegals as much as she can.

: (

[investigateworld]

If I were not so lazy, I'd dig up my posts to Marine Inspector from several weeks ago.
I mentioned a 'legal' Mexican immigrant told me they were having a fire sale by the coyotes in the Tiajuana sector.
As the Mexican govt/drug Cartels set the prices and distributes the operating areas, they most have known what was coming down.

[VOA]

After listening to President Bush's speech if I lived in Mexico I'd pack
my things and head north too.

If the MSM had done their job last night, they'd have been doing
the after-speech reports from places in Mexico.
To get comment from the real target audience.

Of course, it's hard to get a good interview of someone when
they are hauling their suitcase in hopes of catching the next
bus for the border with El Norte.

[AmeriBrit]

Perhaps we shouldn't only put the NG on the border but also bring in the CeeBee's and have them build another Panama Canal only 3 times as wide and separate the U.S. from Mexico once and for all.

[VOA]

Good reason for W to come out tomorrow and say; " I was just kidding about
the 6,000 Guardsmen. It's really gonna be 6,000 spec op snipers."

This evening Alberto Gonzales (sp?), suppossedly the Attorney General
of the USA, was on TV...saying that the "rules of engagement" for
the troops on the border hadn't been set yet.

My suspicion is that our troops will never have a magazine loaded.
And that our troops will be instructed to NEVER fire and to just
run away at the first sign of a challenge by a coyote or drug runner.

Dubya doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to explain some dead
Mexicans on the border (even if they had it coming) to his buddy Vicente.

I will be more than happy to eat crow (with much BBQ sauce, please)
if the BP and NG combine to really control the border and turn back
the invaders.

[Tammy8]

It is really hard for me to understand why so many do not grasp the pure common sense of securing the border and then figuring out how to deal with illegals already here.

[gregwest]

You can call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I'm sensing and ulterior motive behind the federal government's movements towards "controlling the borders."

When the CFR-members in Congress get behind something, I tend to get suspicious. Conservatives have been griping about immigration for years and now, all of a sudden it's the major headline every day. I think the sudden interest by our policy makers is going to lead to what the President mentioned last night: a secure, biometric ID card that you'll need to get a job in he USA. This will have to extend to citizens as well.

This whole immigration debate is going to a national ID card. The CFR-world federalist bunch are going to use the momentum to push this through. Just wait and see. Soon it will be, "Ach, Haben sie ihr Papieren, mein Herr?"

[SandRat]

Maybe we can get AussieDasher to send us some Salties just to make sure no crosses the distch where there isn't a bridge.

[burzum]

Miramontez says, “It’s bad in Mexico. It’s also hard because the U.S. soldiers are fighting wars in other countries, and now, many are going to be along the border. When I cross, it scares me and makes me think twice.”

Good. I'm glad that foreigners are afraid of our National Guard. Let's hope that once the NG is on the border, more Mexicans will be scared. Scared enough to stay home and try to fix their own country.

[Soul Seeker]

Word is circulating the small amount of Guard will not even be there on a semi permanent status for a year, but rather they'll rotate in and out every 15 days. Anyone confirm them?

[VOA]

It is really hard for me to understand why so many do not grasp the pure
common sense of securing the border and then figuring out how to deal
with illegals already here.

First hint: "cha-ching!"
Everyone benefits from the coyote, to Vicente from the return vouchers,
to the local bank that loans them $$$ for a home and car, etc., etc.
Votes for illegal immigration supporting legislators.
Cheap, compliant, hard-working (de facto slave) labor force for contractors
nurserymen, farmers, factory operators, etc.

By the way, nice of you (and a bunch of us) to be compassionate
to give 'em free healthcare, eduction, etc.
See, we benefit by getting to feel good about ourselves.
Well, that's what some Republican legislators would tell us.

[holyscroller]

Like a Freeper said the other night. Bush saying anything about border enforcement is like a bartender yelling "last call." Everybody left in Mexico will runn for the border.

[c-b 1]

Looks like my spotlight is going to get a workout.

[VOA]

Soon it will be, "Ach, Haben sie ihr Papieren, mein Herr?"

I'm afraid that already describes the situation for many in the USA.
The people known as "legal citizens".
Pulled over by the police? Produce a drivers license and proof of insurance
or bad things happen.
Boarding a plane? Bend over!
(Hell, I was getting the "sir, can we do an extra inspection on your
bag?" years before 9-11. I guess I was such an average, middle-aged
white guy, I just had to be a Serbian terrorist)
Etc.
It's the illegals that rarely have to worry about that documentation hassle.

[atomic_dog]

“I just want to be happy, and I’ll try to work in the U.S., no matter what happens.”

We could make the border airtight in a couple of days.

China has 100-110 million of these and sells them for $3 a pop. Maybe WalMart could negotiate a bulk deal.

[AmeriBrit]

OK, one of you please educate me, what is a saltie other than a cracker?

[c-b 1]

You can call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I'm sensing and ulterior motive behind the federal government's movements towards "controlling the borders."

You are not a conspiracy theorist when you are stating proveable facts. What we are looking at is a conspiracy fact.

[SandRat]

Salt Water Crocodile, mean suckers that can get up to 20' long and have a BAAAAAAD-Attitude.

[calcowgirl]

Gonzales was pretty pathetic in that interview. Not militarizing our border - have to be careful to not offend our friends - NG will have right to defend themselves (??)

transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/16/sitroom.02.html

(snip)

BLITZER: Well, what do you think? Some of your conservative friends think this is a facade, that these troops going to the border for two-week periods of time without even weapons is useless.

GONZALES: Well, I think having a strong show of force along the border will have a deterrent effect.

BLITZER: Are they actually going to be on the border, though, or as opposed to being behind the scenes?

GONZALES: Well, I don't -- there will be a sign of force that will be visible along the border. Clearly, the National Guard troops will be there to support the work of the Border Patrol officers. They're there to provide a supportive role. They will not be engaged in law enforcement.

But I think any time you have that kind of visible show of force, I think it will have a deterrent effect.

BLITZER: Will they be armed? In other words, are you fully clear on the rules of engagement these military forces will have?

GONZALES: Well, obviously, that will be something that will have to be worked out. Those rules of engagement will have to be very, very clear so there's no misunderstanding. Clearly, though, these folks will have -- will have the opportunity and the authority to defend themselves, to protect themselves. But as to the specific rules of engagement, that will be something that will have to be worked out.

BLITZER: Will they carry weapons?

GONZALES: Again, I think -- that will be something that will have to be worked out. But I'm quite confident they certainly will have the authority to protect themselves.

BLITZER: If there's a show of force, as you say, along the border of Mexico, isn't this the same thing as militarizing the border with a good friend, Mexico? And people in Mexico would understandably be upset about that?

GONZALES: We want to be very, very careful, of course, about making it clear to Mexico and other folks along the border that this is not about militarizing the border. We have had National Guard troops working along the border for quite some time...

BLITZER: But only a few hundred.

GONZALES: ... on counter-narcotics efforts. Clearly, this -- we're talking about an increased number here, but one of the reasons the president went out yesterday to talk to the American people and to our friends in Mexico is to make it clear what his objectives are here. And that is to secure the border. This is not to militarize the border.

[Let's Roll]

I know - they keep babbling about "economic self-interest" - what the hell is bank robbing and drug dealing if not "economic self-interest"?

Our leaders are either too dumb to be leading or too evil.

[smoothsailing]

I'll be more than happy to provide that BBQ sauce for the crow and eat it with you. Sadly, I suspect you are correct, however. Too bad, Mrs. smooth makes a fine sauce.

I remember many years ago in the 50's my Dad (A vet from Patton's 3rd Army) often saying, "Son, our freedom depends on our will to fight". I believed him of course, but I was just a tyke.

Today, with my Dad long passed, I still hear his words and wonder if there are enough of us who grasp such a basic concept.

[SandRat]

You might want to vist Saltwater Crocodile (Crocodylus porosus) (The World's Largest Reptile)

[kstewskis]

I know that the President is very understanding of people who just want to better themselves and their families. Is bank robbery going to be OK now with the new amnesty plan?

If it was okay for Pancho Villa....

[AmeriBrit]

LOL! Was I ever on the wrong track.

A few 'Salties' would finish it off very nicely I think.

[SandRat]

Those critters just got a BAAAAAAAAADDD--ATTITUDE!!!

[zeugma]

Your post is dead on. I'll be suprised if they will be issued ammo too.

[jwh_Denver]

Funny you should mention crocodiles with bad attitudes. Here's what 2 verses say about the croc.

Job 41:33 Upon earth there is not [the crocodile's] equal, a creature made without fear and he behaves fearlessly.
Job 41:34 He looks all mighty [beasts of prey] in the face [without terror]; he is monarch over all the sons of pride.

[SandRat]

and that's at best the Nile Croc.

[AmeriBrit]

One look at those teeth and the illegals would be breaking the sound barrier heading for the Mexican southern border.

That's a mean looking critter. Makes our rattlesnakes look like gentle pets.

[gpapa]

“It’ll now be much harder to cross through the desert," says Miramontez, ”but the Army (National Guard) on the border won’t stop me.”

And thousands of others will say and do the same thing. Stopping the invasion should be the number one goal.

[SandRat]

And here's what the Good Book Says abot them

Job 41:33 Upon earth there is not [the crocodile's] equal, a creature made without fear and he behaves fearlessly.
Job 41:34 He looks all mighty [beasts of prey] in the face [without terror]; he is monarch over all the sons of pride.

[Jim_Curtis]

After listening to President Bush's speech if I lived in Mexico I'd pack my things and head north too.

I guess it's fortunate that most of them don't speak English. Yesterday's Bush speech was just dripping with weakness and fear of dealing with the invasion.

[beaversmom]

Lt. Gen. Blum was on Medved today. He said basically the guard will be doing their required trainings along the Southern border. He also refuted the 1 year. He said they will be there as long as they are needed.

[TheCrusader]

"”but the Army (National Guard) on the border won’t stop me.” Like Miramontez, Eduardo Reyes, an immigrant..."

He's right, they won't stop him. The NG troops will be there only as spotters. Allegedly, if they see illegals trying to cross the border they will call the Border Patrol agents in to deal with them. In other words, they will be stationed on the border largely as window dressing to deceive the American people into believing that President Bush is taking serious action.

[BJungNan]

There is only one answer. The Minute men and women are that answer. It is time for a whole lot more people to got to the border and defend it.