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Big sham on campus( Boston College shuns Condoleezza Rice)
Jewish World Review ^ | May 10, 2006 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 05/10/2006 1:08:24 AM PDT by Lorianne

How is academic freedom like Catholicism? Well, if you are a left-wing academic, the answer is obvious: Both can be used like a club on people you don't like.

Consider the current contretemps over Boston College's invitation to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to be this year's commencement speaker and receive an honorary degree. Rice, the first black woman to be secretary of state, was a distinguished professor of political science at Stanford University, where she received the top awards for teaching. Later, she was Stanford's provost. Her CV is precisely the sort of thing that makes her a no-brainer to receive an honorary degree and be a commencement speaker. Certainly she is more deserving than such past Boston College honorary-degree recipients as Barbara Bush and Queen Noor of Jordan.

Don't tell that to the faculty at B.C. In a letter distributed by the heads of the Catholic school's theology department and signed by about 200 faculty members, we are informed that, "On the levels of both moral principle and practical moral judgment, Secretary Rice's approach to international affairs is in fundamental conflict with Boston College's commitment to the values of the Catholic and Jesuit traditions and is inconsistent with the humanistic values that inspire the university's work." The letter, titled "Condoleezza Rice Does Not Deserve a Boston College Honorary Degree," cherry-picks quotes from Pope John Paul II to argue that Rice's positions should disqualify her as a commencement speaker.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: academia; bostoncollege; catholiccolleges; religion; rice; snub

1 posted on 05/10/2006 1:08:27 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

God save us from liberals.


2 posted on 05/10/2006 1:13:06 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Lorianne

Incorrect headline. It's BC, not BU. Two very different places. (My kid graduated from BU last year.)


3 posted on 05/10/2006 1:14:56 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Lorianne

Boston College, not Boston University.


4 posted on 05/10/2006 1:15:46 AM PDT by non-anonymous
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To: Lorianne

Don't donate to Catholic education in Boston and write them why?
You'd be amazed how they will find religion if money stops coming in.


5 posted on 05/10/2006 1:18:46 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Lorianne

Libs continue to be the biggest hypocrites in the world. You have the right to say anything you want...as long as it agrees with rad/liberal dogma. The thing is these academics can't conceive why anyone could possibly disagree with their wonderful "progressive" view of the world. For libs/ultra-leftists, if you don't agree with the Noam Chomskys and the Howard Zinns, you're obviously a fascist.


6 posted on 05/10/2006 1:23:27 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Lorianne
My son teaches music at one of the Ivy league schools.

However, and he knows this and disagrees, I do not rate these Ivy league schools high when it comes to value of education received for dollar spent.

So much time spent on being politically correct about inane ideas takes away from the real learning process.

I base this highly scientific observation on the number of these over paid Ivy league people in our government that can't seem to do a simple job of wiping their own sorry butts much else run a good government.

If I was Ms. Rice I would tell Boston College to take their invitation and put it up and in where the Sun Don't Shine.
7 posted on 05/10/2006 1:26:23 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: M. Thatcher

Ooops, sorry.


8 posted on 05/10/2006 1:28:06 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

No biggie, but you might ask the moderator to fix the headline.


9 posted on 05/10/2006 1:32:34 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Lorianne
Children teaching children. These faculty members should be embarrassed to be in Ms. Rice's presence. She is everything they are not. Humble and Graceful.
10 posted on 05/10/2006 2:12:51 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: BallyBill

I remember Harvard wanted to have a big-do when they had their 350th anniversary in 1986. The only problem was that Ronald Reagan was president and they didn't want to give HIM an honorary degree. Flops like Bill Clinton were just fine as recipients. So they cooked up some invitation where they had to invite the president but he got no honors. To their shock, Reagan had other plans that day and snubbed the world's most important place and most important people.


11 posted on 05/10/2006 2:23:29 AM PDT by laconic
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To: OKIEDOC
However, and he knows this and disagrees, I do not rate these Ivy league schools high when it comes to value of education received for dollar spent.

I think that a big part of the value of the Ivy experience is the network you get plugged into, especially as an undergraduate. There's really no way to calculate the value of this component; it's literally a career-maker, in many cases.

The liberal indoctorination is essentially a "tax" on the networking opportunity, in my view. You want into the club, you've got to listen to the lefty loons.

12 posted on 05/10/2006 2:45:48 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Steely Tom

I would love to be able to sit in a room and listen to Dr. Rice speak. What an honor that would be.
However, I would give my left nut to watch a football game with her.


13 posted on 05/10/2006 2:51:47 AM PDT by Paulus
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To: Lorianne

Racism!



14 posted on 05/10/2006 2:59:49 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Howlin

God save us from liberals.



Howlin,
You know I agree with 99 percent of everything you say normally, but in this case, could it be that a Catholic University does not want a speaker who is pro choice. Just a thought.


15 posted on 05/10/2006 3:17:15 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Howlin

As an outsider I have wondered about the quality of the Catholic Church in Massachuetts.I have been disturbed by the priest's scandal,gay marriage,Catholic Charities allowing adoptions by homosexuals and Catholics like Senator Kennedy and Father Drinan.Boston College has helped to create the problems in the Catholic Church in Massachuetts.


16 posted on 05/10/2006 3:31:03 AM PDT by ardara
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To: ardara

You'd think that they are to busy these days dealing with the numerous lawsuits from the molestation incidents.


17 posted on 05/10/2006 3:38:41 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: napscoordinator

I suggest that you go look at prior speakers at the college before you make that assumption.


18 posted on 05/10/2006 3:40:27 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: napscoordinator
In fact, you are wrong. I went and looked it up myself. In 2003, they had Justice Stephen Breyer, and here is the comment from the Cardinal Newman Society:

BOSTON COLLEGE LAW SCHOOL (Boston, MA): Supreme Court Associate Justice Stephen Breyer gave the commencement address on May 23. Breyer has defended and upheld the Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion and finding a “privacy right” to abortion. In 2000, Breyer authored the majority opinion in Stenberg v. Carhart, striking down a Nebraska ban on “partial-birth abortion” as unconstitutional because it created an “undue burden” on women seeking abortions. “All those who perform abortion procedures using that method must fear prosecution,” Breyer wrote. “The result is an undue burden upon a woman’s right to make an abortion decision.”

So, it is NOT because she is mildly pro-choice, but for ant-war reason. (And the fact that she is a Republican.)

19 posted on 05/10/2006 3:45:52 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Westlander

The proboem is that these people at Boston do not really follow the Pope or the major tenants of the Catholic Church. The two Senators from Mass. , both "Catholic" are two of the most anti Catholic Senators. Big supporters of abortion etc. We all know the many crimes and indescressions of the "Catholic" Kennedy family. Who at Boston U has spoken out? Catholics should not send their children to this University.


20 posted on 05/10/2006 4:10:25 AM PDT by paguch
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To: Paulus
However, I would give my left nut to watch a football game with her.

Which nut?


21 posted on 05/10/2006 4:24:00 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Lorianne

What do you expect from a college run by Jesuits? The Catholic Church has been ruined by these heretics.


22 posted on 05/10/2006 4:33:21 AM PDT by babydoll22 (If you stop growing as a person you live in your own private hell.)
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To: napscoordinator

I'd have to say that you must not have been paying attention. Boston College, like Jesuits schools everywhere. does not care a whit about whether a person is "pro" - anythng that's leftist. The only crime (or sin) for them is being conservative. I graduated from 2 Jesuit schools many, many years ago, but I wouldn't give them a dime today.


23 posted on 05/10/2006 4:39:51 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: USS Alaska

the left one...
;-)


24 posted on 05/10/2006 4:56:10 AM PDT by Paulus
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To: laconic
» Reagan had other plans that day and snubbed the world's most important place and most important people.

LOL! Love it.

Those "Haaaaah-vaaahd!" academic anklebiters weren't even qualified to spit-shine Reagan's shoes.

25 posted on 05/10/2006 5:24:31 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: TonyRo76

Yes, interesting that Harvuud would snub a man of such accomplishments as Ronald Reagan and leap to give laurels to those Kennedy family members afflicted by the "awful curse" that apparently causes you to drive drunk, have sex with underage babysitters, leave a girl to die and engage in all sorts of trashy actions. Dana Milbank of the Washington Post has now attributed Patrick Kennedy's conduct to the "awful curse" -- I KNEW it wouldn't be long before the Post writers volunteered to clean the Kennedy toilets. Strange, but I don't remember the Washington Post, as water and sewage carriers for the Democratic Party, ever saying anything about an "awful curse" hanging over Richard Nixon.


26 posted on 05/10/2006 5:43:02 AM PDT by laconic
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To: ardara

"Catholic Charities allowing adoptions by homosexuals"

I believe that Catholic Charities in Mass stopped facilitating adoptions in Mass because they could not agree to adoption by homosexuals. In turn, they were given the right to continue their adoption services without adoption for homosexuals.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1615760/posts


27 posted on 05/10/2006 5:48:47 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: Emmett McCarthy
I'd have to say that you must not have been paying attention. Boston College, like Jesuits schools everywhere. does not care a whit about whether a person is "pro" - anything that's leftist. The only crime (or sin) for them is being conservative. I graduated from 2 Jesuit schools many, many years ago, but I wouldn't give them a dime today.



It was just a suggestion. I have no idea what there ulterior motives are. I did not say that it was a concrete reason.
28 posted on 05/10/2006 6:32:31 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Miss Marple
In fact, you are wrong. I went and looked it up myself. In 2003, they had Justice Stephen Breyer, and here is the comment from the Cardinal Newman Society:
BOSTON COLLEGE LAW SCHOOL (Boston, MA): Supreme Court Associate Justice Stephen Breyer gave the commencement address on May 23. Breyer has defended and upheld the Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion and finding a “privacy right” to abortion. In 2000, Breyer authored the majority opinion in Stenberg v. Carhart, striking down a Nebraska ban on “partial-birth abortion” as unconstitutional because it created an “undue burden” on women seeking abortions. “All those who perform abortion procedures using that method must fear prosecution,” Breyer wrote. “The result is an undue burden upon a woman’s right to make an abortion decision.”

So, it is NOT because she is mildly pro-choice, but for ant-war reason. (And the fact that she is a Republican.)



It amazes me that these colleges make themselves look like hypocrites. John Stevens is a huge abortion advocate so the reason for Sec of State could not be abortion but war or more likely republican like you mentioned. That is a shame.
29 posted on 05/10/2006 6:35:47 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: laconic

P.J. O'Rourke wrote about that incident. His quote was along the lines of, "Reagan, God bless him, told Harvard to go piss up a rope."


30 posted on 05/10/2006 6:36:22 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: LanPB01

Have you ever read PJ's Holidays in Hell about vacations in such garden spots as Lebanon in the 1980s? One of the funniest books I've ever come across.


31 posted on 05/10/2006 6:56:38 AM PDT by laconic
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To: A CA Guy
........You'd be amazed how they will find religion if money stops coming in.

you're right...that's how all the Kennedy's get their annulments..how come homosexual predators are allowed to rape boys..etc..etc...

money grubbing, hypocritical, libs have bastardized the church. we need a reformation of the church and I think the new pope might be up for it.

However the Cardinals and Bishops are so infiltrated with these parasites that he needs to go in with a machete to weed out the infestation.

What has happened to the Church? I'm a Roman Catholic, and feel like its turned into some parody of itself. I know that man is fallible and that the Lord works in mysterious ways, but what to do when the "church" and the other organs of the church are so screwed up that you feel that by supporting it you are abetting sin.

I chose to leave. I've become a Christian but have a hard time finding a "church".

thanks for allowing the rant...back to our regular programming.

32 posted on 05/10/2006 7:02:52 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: napscoordinator
» I graduated from 2 Jesuit schools many, many years ago

I too survived a Jesuit indoctrination attempt, in the guise of a 4-yr college degree.

Anything I get from them today (most often requests for money) goes straight to the trash...'cept on the occasions I'm feeling ornery and wanna fire off a caustic reply as to why they're not getting any $$$ from me ;)

33 posted on 05/10/2006 7:45:58 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: laconic
» Kennedy family ... "awful curse"

World's smallest.

34 posted on 05/10/2006 7:50:43 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Steely Tom
Excellent insight and so true.

The leftists have their own good old boy network that reeks of the same kind of behavior as nepotism.

These Ivy league graduates permeate our government at all levels.

What better way to get a job than to have Harvard on the old resume.

Never mind if a person has the required education or not, they went to Harvard so they must be more qualified than say a graduate of a middle American school.

I equate this situation to what is happening in our residency programs for doctors.

An immigrant Doctor say from India or Pakistan gets to be program director and he or she brings in more of his or her countrymen.

Soon that field or specialty is dominated by that particular immigrant country.

Psychiatry comes to mind very quickly.
35 posted on 05/10/2006 7:51:05 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: Lorianne
Don't tell that to the faculty at B.C. In a letter distributed by the heads of the Catholic school's theology department and signed by about 200 faculty members, we are informed that, "On the levels of both moral principle and practical moral judgment, Secretary Rice's approach to international affairs is in fundamental conflict with Boston College's commitment to the values of the Catholic and Jesuit traditions and is inconsistent with the humanistic values that inspire the university's work."

By that line of reasoning, they should ban the Pope from speaking there.

36 posted on 05/10/2006 11:52:17 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Dick Vomer
The problem is that their are regional leaders that do not completely follow the Catholic Church teachings.

We have a Cardinal that is a jerk called Mahoney on my state and he is a politician more than a priest by far IMO.
37 posted on 05/10/2006 12:48:36 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: napscoordinator
...but in this case, could it be that a Catholic University does not want a speaker who is pro choice. Just a thought.

I think they are throwing out that canard now. I was surprised to see the difference a a day or two makes in this story. I saw a professor on O'Rielly a few days ago spouting liberal crap. Last night, though, a student was talking about this on H&C and the opposition had turning into abortion views.

38 posted on 05/10/2006 12:55:39 PM PDT by TankerKC (¿José puede usted ver?)
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To: TankerKC

After reading more into this. It is clear that they are full of liberal nonsense and you can't even give them the benefit of the doubt because that are so obvious. It is a shame. I wanted to believe that maybe it was a valid reason but again I am disappointed by the liberal persons that have "taken over" the education system even in many cases the private schools.


39 posted on 05/10/2006 2:22:58 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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