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A nation of millionaires who can't afford to buy anything
The Times ^ | May 8, 2006 | Jonathan Clayton

Posted on 05/07/2006 11:41:46 PM PDT by MadIvan

Zimbabweans are speaking out with candour against the Government as the country descends further into economic chaos

WITH his torn shirt and tattered trousers held up by a piece of string, Barons Chikamba is an unlikely millionaire.

His life is a daily struggle despite the seemingly astronomical prices that he charges for even a short hop in the battered car that he uses to ferry visitors around Zimbabwe’s capital, Harare.

Even his lowest fare is more than a million Zimbabwean dollars. It may sound a lot, but in a country where even the official rate of inflation is nearly 1,000 per cent — by far the highest for a country not at war — it is really less than £6.

Visitors arriving at Harare’s smart, modernistic airport quickly become millionaires simply by changing $10 at the official rate of Z$101,000 (55p) to the US dollar. The black market rate is roughly double that. “Yes, I am a millionaire — a millionaire who can afford nothing at all,” Mr Chikamba says. “Zimbabweans are all millionaires today.

We are a country of millionaires, but it goes nowhere and no one has anything.”

Mr Chikamba chuckles at the thought, but for him and millions like him, Zimbabwe’s hyperinflation is no joke. Last week the basket of essential basics that an average lowincome family needs for survival rocketed to Z$41 million a month in a country where more than 60 per cent of the workforce is jobless and others earn as little as Z$4 million a month.

With the highest denomination banknote, Z$50,000, it can take almost as long as a taxi journey itself to pay the fare.

That is nothing, however, compared with eating out. A takeaway chicken and chips cost The Times Z$1.8 million last week. A curry with friends at a down-market Indian restaurant came to Z$13.6 million.

When restaurant bills arrive, people sit like Las Vegas high-rollers with great stacks of money in the middle of the table. “You have to add on another half hour to allow for the restaurant to count the money,” an Indian businessman said. “I went to pay some local taxes the other day and it took over an hour for them to count out the Z$41 million I owed. It’s crazy.”

That explains why some of the hottest commodities in Zimbabwe today are money-counting machines. State-run newspapers are full of advertisements for heavy-duty banknote counters made in Japan or Singapore. They range in price from Z$345 million to Z$1.2 billion. One businessman said that he had stopped using a calculator because it simply could not deal with the number of zeros, and had reverted to using an old slide rule.

Zimbabwe’s smallest denomination banknote is Z$500. That is a fraction of the price of a roll of lavatory paper at Z$150,000, leading to inevitable jokes about how to express one’s point of view of Robert Mugabe’s regime.

Supermarkets post new prices daily. Items such as bags of sugar or rice have layers of price tags stuck one on top of another. Peel them back and it is possible to trace the increases, which can be as high as 80 per cent in a week. People stand in shops with two bags, one full of money, one with a handful of food. At one of the favourite watering holes for the dwindling number of expats, a white man walked in and slammed a brick on the table. He had just bought 15 of them for some repair work at a cost of Z$300,000. “The bloody house only cost me Z$200,000 in 1990 — and it has a swimming pool and tennis court,” he shouted.

Zimbabwe’s crisis transcended racial divisions long ago, and his statement set off a round of comparisons from the mixed-race crowd. One man related how a new battery for his car now costs about Z$200,000, more than the car did when he bought it for Z$140,000 in the late 1990s.

Stroking his stubble, an Asian hotelier lamented that he could not afford razor blades at Z$15 million for a packet of three. “Bugger it, I won’t shave; who cares any more?” he shrugged.

As ever in Mr Mugabe’s impoverished fiefdom, it is the poorest people who pay the highest price. “People now have to shop on a daily basis because they cannot afford more than a few meagre items, and they get confused with all the money,” Otilia Rusere, 37, who scrapes a living as a street vendor, said.

By 5am the streets of Harare are full of people walking to work. “Many people cannot afford public transport, so everyone is footing it,” said Rudo Tsikira, whose rent for her one-room dwelling has soared to Z$2 million a month.

On Sunday mornings pensioners, black and white, can be seen buying one egg and two tomatoes, and a quarter loaf of bread for a rare treat — a cooked breakfast.

The grand colonial Harare Club started locking its library long ago because members were stealing books and newspapers and selling them to raise a little extra cash.

Fees tripled last month in state hospitals, with basic consultations increasing from Z$300,000 to more than Z$1 million. Private hospitals, doctors and clinics doubled their fees. Last week a couple expecting a baby in a private clinic had to pay for the delivery in advance. They turned up with a large suitcase stuffed with money. “People thought we were checking in,” joked the father-to-be.

The cost of dying is so high that the poor are reportedly burying their relatives in fields at night. Only condoms, which cost $Z300 because they are heavily subsidised by the international community, seem inflation-proof.

With the currency worth less each day, a bartering system is taking hold. Farm labourers prefer to be paid in produce, which will keep its price and can be easily swapped. In cities, people exchange personal items, such as CDs, for food.

The country’s descent into economic chaos came after violent land seizures led to a dramatic drop in production. Exports plummeted. Foreign investment dried up. The Government sought to hide its problems by taking out foreign loans that it could not service, and printing money. The inflation rate is still spiralling upwards, but Mr Mugabe appears oblivious.

He has a simple remedy to the problem — printing more money. To ensure that the army, police and civil servants are paid, the Central Bank has said that it will print another Z$60 trillion in Z$50,000 notes. The country does not have the capacity to print so many notes, but Mr Mugabe refuses to have larger ones because that would be “inflationary”.

Instead, Zimbabwe, once one of the wealthiest countries in Africa, will have to sub- contract some of the printing to neighbouring states, who will demand payment in precious hard currency, compounding the crisis.

“We are rapidly approaching the point of meltdown,” said John Robertson, an independent economist. “It simply cannot go on, and the Government will be forced to admit it has failed. Economics may end up doing what politics has failed to do.”

He said that until now the worst effects had been partially offset by remittances from the four million Zimbabweans, a quarter of the population, living outside the country.

There are signs that ordinary people are near to breaking point. Despite the ubiquitous security services, they speak their minds with a candour unimaginable even a few years ago. No one has a good word to say about the Government.

Last week more than 100 women protesting against massive increases in school fees were arrested in Bulawayo. In Harare about 50 students who could not afford the final term’s fees were also arrested and detained over the weekend.

Zimbabwe’s schools reopen tomorrow and huge absenteeism is expected after many doubled fees that now range between Z$20 million and Z$100 million a term.

“There is no sector of society unaffected by this crisis,” said Barnabus Mangodla, of the Combined Harare Residents’ Association, a lobby group.

“We are living on a time bomb, and there comes a point when people have nothing left, that they no longer care about repression.”



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; africawatch; hyperinflation; mugabe; rhodesia; zimbabwe
I am waiting for the army to turn on Mugabe. It will occur when they realise they're being just as robbbed as the rest of society.

Regards, Ivan

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1 posted on 05/07/2006 11:41:51 PM PDT by MadIvan
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Ping!


2 posted on 05/07/2006 11:42:23 PM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

There are parts of the US where folks worth just a million or two can't afford a really nice house.

Strange...and I know it sounds crazy to most freepers


3 posted on 05/07/2006 11:47:07 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: MadIvan

There are parts of the US where folks worth just a million or two can't afford a really nice house.

Strange...and I know it sounds crazy to most freepers


4 posted on 05/07/2006 11:47:11 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: MadIvan
rent for her one-room dwelling has soared to Z$2 million a month.

Yikes!

5 posted on 05/07/2006 11:48:30 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: wardaddy

Wait, wasn't this guy a confiscate from the rich whites to redistribute to the poor blacks?

Isn't that Democratic policy?

Hasn't it been for decades?

Anyone make that connection?


6 posted on 05/07/2006 11:50:49 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: wardaddy

It's true.

Typically the money is tied up - not liquid.


7 posted on 05/08/2006 12:00:33 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: MadIvan
Zimbabwe a glimpse into a democratic future.
8 posted on 05/08/2006 12:06:23 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by there fruity little club.)
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To: nmh

I could not afford to buy my own home now.

Where I live any home under 250/foot is a deal and I'm in Nashville not Westchester.

I looked at a home that sold for 220K back in 98, 525K in 2003 and asking 795K now

and we thought it was a deal...not that we could afford it

some schlub with a net worth of one to two million ain't gonna be buying a house like that....normally unless is income is also 3-400K/year


9 posted on 05/08/2006 12:08:26 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: spikeytx86

Zimbabwe a glimpse into a democratic future under the power hungry Communists who today refer to themselves as "progressives.


10 posted on 05/08/2006 12:11:14 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: wardaddy
You can find nice homes in my area for around $50/sq ft. My house was purchased for $46/sq ft in 2000. It's just a little more now. I purchased another 2068 sq ft house last year for $82,900 (40/sq ft). Our gas prices are also the lowest in the nation right now.
11 posted on 05/08/2006 12:19:50 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: MadIvan
"I am waiting for the army to turn on Mugabe. It will occur when they realise they're being just as robbbed as the rest of society."

What's missing from the article is the key word: Communism.

Mugabe is a communist. His army is staffed with communists.

Communism has failed in Zimbabwe, failed in the CCCP, failed in Cuba, and failed in North Korea.

The Army can take over Zimbabwe, but what are they going to change? They are communists. The communist answer is price controls, enforced at gunpoint.

Antonio Gramsci said that true Communism would *always* fail as the people/workers would eventually come to see the ruling Communists in the same light as they once viewed the ruling class in capitalistic societies...as the new boss...leading to inevitable popular rebellions against communism itself.

This happened first in Poland under Lech Walensa, then East Germany and Czechoslavakia and Romania et al. It will happen in Cuba once Castro dies. It will happen in North Korea.

And it will most certainly happen in Zimbabwe...

...but the question there is what will replace it?!

A rebellion or coup by the Army would likely as not lead to totalitarianism, martial law, or a far harsher version of Communism than Mugabe's current failure...hardly an improvement for the people there.

And the population at large of Zimbabwe isn't educated enough to grasp the benefits of capitalism or democracy. Their main real hope is a benevolent dictator or tribal law/rule, save for a re-colonization by the West.

At least most African tribal law permits low-level capitalism (buy/sell/trade by individuals).

In the near-term, an outright invasion of Zimbabwe by one of its neighbors is a very real possibility...and explains Mugabe's otherwise ridiculous purchase of new combat fighter jets.

12 posted on 05/08/2006 12:20:31 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Myrddin

good for you...we often think about cashing out and going country but my businesses are here


13 posted on 05/08/2006 12:21:24 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: MadIvan
We are a country of millionaires, but it goes nowhere and no one has anything.”

I feel very sorry for this poor blighter, but it's really really hard not to laugh.

Is that bad?

L

14 posted on 05/08/2006 12:24:08 AM PDT by Lurker (You can't bargain with a rabid dog.)
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To: MadIvan

A few years ago I paid $24,000 for two beers at a hotel near Victoria Falls. No one knew what to charge for anything. No one could make change. Workers could not cash their pay checks and were forced to leave the full amount wherever they went to buy even a small needed item. Seems that hyperinflation in Zimbabwe now like Nazi Germany times, where wheelbarrows were needed to bring the money for a loaf of bread.

This ruthless dictator is what the supporters of socialism bring to this world. In the U.S. they call themselves "progressives." Left to their own devices this is what they bring to countries they take over. The nationalizing of the farms and stealing them from whites has led Africa's properous bread basket to become an empty basket with maize now unaffordable for making bread and thus a starving population. All because of a failed system called Communism.


15 posted on 05/08/2006 12:24:41 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Southack
The army isn't going to turn on Mugabe. They're far more likely to turn on Zimbabweans (sic?). After all, they have guns and the thousands of poor bastards clutching handfuls of worthless paper have...well they have handfuls of worthless paper.

Plus it's way easier to waste the above mentioned poor bastards in the streets and steal what they have than it will be to get to Mugabe. He may be evil, but he ain't completely stupid. He'll have himself some first class security folks paid for with real cash money, not that pretty colored paper the locals are stuck with.

Zimbabwe is about to get real ugly, real fast Southack. You mark my words on that.

L

16 posted on 05/08/2006 12:31:32 AM PDT by Lurker (You can't bargain with a rabid dog.)
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To: wardaddy
good for you...we often think about cashing out and going country but my businesses are here

I was able to take my job with me. Now I work from my home. No commute. More work space that is totally under my control. Lower rates to my customers...I'm not using a company supplied office, thus that is removed from my "loaded" rate. I still have as much out of town travel as before, but it starts from Pocatello instead of San Diego. Nominally that costs me about 3 extra hours of travel time each way when flying.

17 posted on 05/08/2006 12:32:36 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Southack; MadIvan
Antonio Gramsci said...

Is this the same Antonio Gramsci -- Bill Clinton's hero -- who finished his days in prison after Mussolini outlawed the Communist Party? (i.e., "socialist vs. socialist")

Why are you sourcing that guy?

18 posted on 05/08/2006 1:52:08 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: MadIvan
One of the richest African countries beggared overnight. What will it take to convince the Left socialism does not work? Certainly not Zimbabwe's hyperinflation disaster.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

19 posted on 05/08/2006 2:02:47 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Lurker
I feel very sorry for this poor blighter, but it's really really hard not to laugh.

Is that bad?

Frankly, yeah, it is.

"There but for the grace of God go you or I."

Thankfully, by an accident of birth, we were born in a free country. Those who suffer in unthinkable bondage merit our sympathy, not our mirth.

The other day, that smarmy lawyer dude on Fox -- "Greg" something, the one with the slick hair (every hair always in place) and the always-pastel necktie -- was laughing at a video of a bear cub in some FSU country who had his head stuck in a plastic container -- for several days. The poor thing was stumbling around in abject terror -- starving and dehydrating, as well as slowly suffocating, blindly flailing about as it vainly tried to free itself.

That fool was literally laughing out loud, peppering his laughter with statements about how he just had to laugh, because it was so funny. What a mean, base, vile little prick he was.

The other "on-air personalities" could not believe what they were hearing, and tried to reason with him. This was clearly NOT a "scripted moment."

In the end, a courageous guy, a stocky fellow who looked to be in his fifties, managed to duck the claws long enough to free the bear, who made a bee-line for the water, to slake its thirst. The bastard broke out in more laughter at the sight.

I'm sure I personalized this somewhat. I recently lost a pet who was very special to me. She was not only a very good friend, extremely loyal and affectionate, but, she was young, only a few years old, and her death was totally unexpected.

When we rescued her, she had the jagged broken glass mouth of a Mason jar snugged around her throat like a tight necklace. She had somehow gotten her head into a jar, and then managed to break it off -- without cutting her throat or slashing her eyes -- before she suffocated or dehydrated to death. How many days she stumbled around in that state of torture, unable to eat or drink, breathing stale air, her cries of terror echoing in her ears, I will never know, until we are united in Heaven. (Yes, like C.S. Lewis, I believe that God cares for our pets in Heaven.)

Afterward, her head and neck grew to the point that the glass ring could not be removed. She was still a kitten. It wouldn't have been long before she'd have grown large enough for it to strangle her, or, slash her jugular veins. After we managed to trap her, the vet had to anesthetize her and chip it off piece by piece.

I cannot imagine the horror my little friend endured, alone, in the months before she staggered up to our doorstep.

Cruelty to animals just plain sucks, and cruelty to people is to put it mildly, no better.

I am not an "animal-rights" loon. Today, while planting my onion seedlings in my garden, I saw the biggest, fattest cottontail rabbit I've ever seen in my life. Literally. I had an instant vision of him getting fatter yet on my onions -- and garlic, and peas, and melons, and okra, and...

And, I drew my .45 and fired off seven rounds. Unfortunately, at ~30 yards, I did not hit the bastard. (If he was human-sized he'd be in rabbit heaven -- it is very irritating to watch a puff of dirt waft up about five inches from the bunny!)

Tomorrow, I set out the trap -- the same trap I used to catch my little friend who left this world a few short weeks ago. I'm making progress. I only get a lump in my throat when I tell about her, instead of having tears run down my ugly mug.

I distinguish between livestock, game, varmints, and domestic pets -- and, people.

It has been my observation that people who are cruel to animals are inevitably cruel to people too, although it may take a few years for it to manifest. In the case of the lawyer-cum-"on-air personality" who got his day's entertainment laughing at the suffering and terror of young bear, I suspect he's had his moments "in private practice" prior to his engagement at Fox. Pure speculation, of course -- but cruelty tends to run deep in the soul.

20 posted on 05/08/2006 2:20:00 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Seems that hyperinflation in Zimbabwe now like Nazi Germany times, where wheelbarrows were needed to bring the money for a loaf of bread.

The irony is so thick you can cut it with a Long Knife!

Mugabe fancies himself "a Hitler", and boasts of the comparison. His late right-hand man went by the monicker "Hitler" Hunzvi.

Looks like he's signed on for the full treatment. Maybe we should all chip in and buy him a bunker.

21 posted on 05/08/2006 2:27:20 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: goldstategop
What will it take to convince the Left socialism does not work?

With the world's last remaining communist superpower well on its way to becoming the world's wealthiest and most powerful, influential nation?

Let's just say that I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the left to have an epiphany.

22 posted on 05/08/2006 2:32:01 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: wardaddy

There are parts of the US where folks worth just a million or two can't afford a really nice house.

You ain't kidding.


23 posted on 05/08/2006 2:47:25 AM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: wardaddy; MadIvan
There are parts of the US where folks worth just a million or two can't afford a really nice house.

Many of us with minimal property holdings will become millionaires by default with a few more years.

Of course by then, being a millionaire will be about as impressive as having a credit card.

24 posted on 05/08/2006 2:55:01 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Isn't that Democratic policy?

It was one of the first things that crossed my mind when I read this.

25 posted on 05/08/2006 4:36:58 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
And the leftist shield to such criticisms is to call "everyone a dictator" including President Bush.

Socialists REALLY need to get out more and visit these countries that they praise.
26 posted on 05/08/2006 5:06:13 AM PDT by weegee ("Season's Greetings and Happy Holidays")
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To: wardaddy

In the building where I live a two bedroom apartment (co-op) goes for over 750,000. That's an ordinary, unrenovated 60 year-old apartment with no parking and about $1500 a month in maintenance charges on top of your 15 year mortgage payments.

But I do pray for the suffering people of Zimbabwe. Seems their situation just gets worse every day.


27 posted on 05/08/2006 5:09:26 AM PDT by joylyn
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Seems that hyperinflation in Zimbabwe now like Nazi Germany times, where wheelbarrows were needed to bring the money for a loaf of bread.

Post-WWI hyperinflation helped bring the Nazis to power. Billion Mark notes were a relic from the days of the Weimar Republic, not of Adolf Hitler.

28 posted on 05/08/2006 6:43:38 AM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Deus Vult)
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To: MadIvan


Hah hah!
Bet they wish they hadn't killed or run off Whitey now.
29 posted on 05/08/2006 6:47:25 AM PDT by noobiangod
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To: Denver Ditdat

Meet the new boss - -
Same as the old boss - - Pete Townshend


30 posted on 05/08/2006 6:48:41 AM PDT by szweig
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To: wardaddy

Holy cow, Nashville is over $250/ft2! In Houston it's still common to find a majority of houses under $150/ft2 even if you don't travel out to the burbs.


31 posted on 05/08/2006 7:00:18 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: MadIvan

This is like something out of a Frederick Pohl story.


32 posted on 05/08/2006 7:12:00 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: RightWingAtheist

At least in a Fredrik Pohl story, there eventually is someone who is willing to fight to change the system. It doesn't look like it here. (btw, Pohl is one of my favorite writers!)


33 posted on 05/08/2006 8:17:23 AM PDT by Maigrey (FRiends don't let FRiends stay stuck on Stupid!)
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To: MadIvan

But I'm sure their self-esteem is much higher now that their government officials are all black, right?


34 posted on 05/08/2006 8:21:36 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: MadIvan
This is the same country/government that just announced plans to buy $50 million USD of military equipment from Russia (includes 10 fighters). This kleptocratic regime makes even the worst European Colonial administration (Belgium Congo probably) look good by comparison. Native rule was the gold standard from the 1950s on in Africa and Asia. I'd wish that there had been something left in the middle between colonialism and South African Apartheid so that a comparison could have been made. Unfortunately, in the anti-colonialism fervor of the Cold War, the baby went out with the bath water ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1622875/posts
35 posted on 05/08/2006 9:50:13 AM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

"Isn't that Democratic policy?

Hasn't it been for decades? "

It should cross your mind every time you hear a Dim screeching about oil and calling for price controls, every time they want to take from one and give to the other, every time they want to manage something (which is always).

This is the end-result of the socialist model, every single time.

The only next step is for Mugabe to muster his army to destroy all remnants of private life IF he can find a foreign nation to keep funding him and more importantly keep the army loyal. Otherwise, soon he will be shot by some generalissimo and then some other faction will start fighting for power, and Zim will further degrade into yet another hellhole where local warlords slaughter the innocent in pursuit of control.


36 posted on 05/08/2006 12:14:05 PM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: jjm2111

crazy isn't it?

a truly nice house of say 5-7000 sq feet in a posh part of greater Nashville is now around 2M and up

That same home is 1995 was maybe 400-500k


37 posted on 05/08/2006 4:49:24 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: Caipirabob; bourbon

I can go back to when I graduated college and thought 100K per year was rich....1980.

I knew a fellow from NYU law who got hired by Davis Polk right outta school for 120K at age 24 and then made partner at 30 in 1980 and was guaranteed 400K/year plus partner's share

He would need that now to live in that Nassau street loft today.


38 posted on 05/08/2006 4:52:20 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: joylyn

I had a co-op in Manhattan...1986...1500 sq feet on west 85th right next to the YWCA dorm between riverside and west end....it sold for 330K then

I picked up classifieds NYT at my docs office last week and it looked like prices have tripled at least


39 posted on 05/08/2006 4:54:25 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: Barney Gumble

The nicer (River Oaks style) areas of Nashville bring in 250/foot and even more for urban space

I saw 350K for an 800 sq ft loft....nuts

Williamson county....the posh borough is very pricey too

I have seen stats that median home transfers in Greater Nashville are the highest in the South....including Miami.

But still, it's a bargain compared to Santa Monica or Westchester


40 posted on 05/08/2006 4:57:22 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: wardaddy

Try being a young professional making between 50k and 75k and buying a starter home in the Northeast. At least half a mil for a 2000 sq ft. 3 br 1.5 ba. home.


41 posted on 05/09/2006 4:47:12 AM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: jjm2111

what you describe is negative blowback of a fairly strong economy

do folks expect you to rent till you have 200K for the downpayment?

it's tough


42 posted on 05/09/2006 10:06:26 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: wardaddy

Right now, I rent well below what I can afford rent-wise. I have some solid down-payment money saved already and w/ a VA loan (I'm a vet), I can escape points, mortgage insurance and some of the other b.s.. But, and this is a big but, taxes and the cost of property would make the mortgage payments unaffordable.

With maintenance, taxes, and mortgage interest, I've never thought that home-ownership is this great economic panacea (though I may be wrong) and that in some instances, it may be wiser to rent and invest my savings than to sink all of my assets in a home.


43 posted on 05/09/2006 10:31:24 AM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: jjm2111

Home ownership beyond basics is lifestyle


44 posted on 05/09/2006 4:26:49 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: Maigrey

One my faves too! I'm glad that he and Jack Williamson are still around writing their enormous hearts out!
P.S. I was thinking specifically of 'The Midas Plague'.


45 posted on 05/10/2006 10:23:56 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: RightWingAtheist
Pohl just came out with another book in the Heechee saga, which I'm going to go and pick up this weekend. (Sometimes, it just doesn't pay to wait...)

The next time I'm up in Chicago, I'm tempted to arrange a meeting with him, and pick his brain.....

46 posted on 05/10/2006 11:56:21 PM PDT by Maigrey (FRiends don't let FRiends stay stuck on Stupid!)
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To: MadIvan
He said that until now the worst effects had been partially offset by remittances from the four million Zimbabweans, a quarter of the population, living outside the country.

So, are we to assume that corrupt governments would fall sooner if remittances were stopped? I think Mexican leaders have that fear.

47 posted on 05/11/2006 12:15:00 AM PDT by Razz Barry
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Is there any right leaning generals (ala Pinochet) in that country the CIA could back to take Mugabe down???


48 posted on 05/11/2006 1:49:49 AM PDT by Schwaeky (Welcome to America--Now speak English or LEAVE!)
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