Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Iran threatens Israel if US acts "evil"
Reuters ^ | May 2, 2006 | Edmund Blair

Posted on 05/02/2006 9:43:19 AM PDT by Alouette

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran threatened on Tuesday to attack Israel in response to any "evil" act by the United States and said it had enriched uranium to a level close to the maximum compatible with civilian use in power stations.

The defiant statements were issued shortly before world powers meet in Paris to discuss the next steps after Tehran rejected a U.N. call to halt uranium enrichment.

Senior officials from the U.N. Security Council's permanent members -- Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States -- plus Germany were to discuss how to curb an Iranian program that Western nations say conceals a drive for atomic warheads.

Iran denies the charge and refuses to back down from what it calls its right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes.

Driving home that message, the head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization, Gholamreza Aghazadeh, said his country had now succeeded in purifying uranium to 4.8 percent, at the top end of the 3 to 5 percent range for fuel used in nuclear power plants.

"Enrichment above 5 percent is not on Iran's agenda," Aghazadeh told the students' ISNA news agency.

Iran has previously said it had enriched to more than 4 percent, far below the 80 percent level needed for bomb-making.

It has used a test cascade of 164 centrifuges to enrich uranium so far and is building two similar cascades. It says it will start installing 3,000 centrifuges later this year -- enough to yield material for one bomb within a year.

The United States and Israel have vowed to deny Iran nuclear weapons. Washington has not excluded war if diplomacy fails, while Tehran has sworn to retaliate if attacked.

TARGETING ISRAEL

"We have announced that wherever America does something evil, the first place that we target will be Israel," ISNA quoted a senior Revolutionary Guards commander, Rear Admiral Mohammad-Ebrahim Dehqani, as saying on Tuesday.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for the Jewish state to be "wiped off the map."

Iran's deputy oil minister said there was "some possibility" of a U.S. attack on his country over its nuclear program.

"I am worried. Everybody is worried," Mohammad Hadi Nejad-Hosseinian said in New Delhi after talks on a proposed $7-billion pipeline from Iran to India via Pakistan.

Concerns that Iran's dispute with the West could lead to disruption of its oil output pushed oil prices above $74 a barrel, close to the record of $75.35 touched last month.

The United States, Britain and France are expected to introduce a resolution to the Security Council this week that would legally oblige Iran to comply with U.N. demands. The three countries favor limited sanctions if Tehran remains defiant.

Iran said Russia and China, also veto-wielding permanent council members, would not back any punitive measures.

"The thing these two countries have officially told us and expressed in diplomatic negotiations is their opposition to sanctions and military attacks," Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki told Iran's Kayhan newspaper.

China and Russia both have big energy interests in Iran, the world's fourth biggest oil exporter. Russia is also helping Iran build its first atomic power plant in the Gulf port of Bushehr.

Nicholas Burns, the U.S. under-secretary of state for political affairs, said in Paris that Tuesday's meeting would seek to keep the Security Council members and Germany united before a meeting of foreign ministers in New York on May 9.

Asked about Mottaki's comments, he said: "All I know is that China and Russia say that they don't want a nuclear-armed Iran. And China and Russia have voted with us against the government of Iran. So we intend to preserve this unity."

Burns said he expected a consensus to emerge over the next 30-40 days on the need to send a "stiff message" to Iran, adding that a range of sanctions had been discussed privately.

These included restricting exports to Iran of dual-use technology that could support its research and development or help it fabricate fissile material or a nuclear device.

Other options were travel curbs on Iranian officials and a ban on arms sales to Iran, such as a planned Russian missile deal. Oil and gas sanctions were not being discussed now.

"We hope that the U.N. Security Council, through a resolution, will send a firm and united message to Iran," French Foreign Ministry spokesman Jean-Baptiste Mattei said in Paris.

The U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), says it cannot confirm that Iran's goals are peaceful, but has found no proof of a military program.

A U.N. resolution would be adopted under Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter, making it binding in international law. A separate resolution would be required for sanctions or military action.

(Additional reporting by Alireza Ronaghi and Parinoosh Arami in Tehran, Mark Heinrich in Vienna, Jon Boyle in Paris and Himanghsu Watts in New Delhi)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; ahmadnutjob; iran; irannukes; iranstrikes; israel; nukemenow
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-89 next last

1 posted on 05/02/2006 9:43:21 AM PDT by Alouette
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; ahayes; Alexander Rubin; ...
FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

2 posted on 05/02/2006 9:43:55 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 23-28)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alouette

Iran will blow up Israel if SOMEONE doesn't act.


3 posted on 05/02/2006 9:44:08 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alouette

Well, we got up this morning and we're breathing, and we're happy. That in and of itself is evil enough for those nutjobs usually, isn't it?!


4 posted on 05/02/2006 9:44:54 AM PDT by kimmie7 (As of February 23, I've been smoke free ONE FULL YEAR!!!!!! YAY ME!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Alouette

This nutjob has not read his bible prophecies lately, has he?........


5 posted on 05/02/2006 9:49:24 AM PDT by Red Badger (In warfare there are no constant conditions. --- The Art of War by SunTzu)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alouette

He really does sound like he wants a war and wants us to strike first.


6 posted on 05/02/2006 9:49:54 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alouette
"Enrichment above 5 percent is not on Iran's agenda," Aghazadeh told the students' ISNA news agency.

Bullsh*t. It's probably already happened.
7 posted on 05/02/2006 9:51:03 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Support American sovereignty - boycott employers of illegal aliens)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MeanWestTexan

>.Iran will blow up Israel if SOMEONE doesn't act.<<

Iran doesn't need us to attack them in order to justify in the extremist's minds an attack on Israel..they already believe that Israel should not exist. The level of air bombardment and/or invasion needed to take out Iran's capability will make it harder to attack Israel, not easier.

I don't understand his game.


8 posted on 05/02/2006 9:52:24 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: gondramB
He really does sound like he wants a war and wants us to strike first.

Yep, and if we do strike first we should do so in a fashion that ensures that there will no longer be an Iran to strike back.

9 posted on 05/02/2006 9:53:21 AM PDT by scooter2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Alouette
Iran threatened on Tuesday to attack Israel in response to any "evil" act by the United States and said it had enriched uranium to a level close to the maximum compatible with civilian use in power stations.

In further "Breaking News", the U.S. announced that it had placed Iran on "Double Secret Probation"!!!

10 posted on 05/02/2006 9:53:25 AM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red Badger

"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for the Jewish state to be "wiped off the map."

This reminds me of the 10 commandments movie when Pharoah
brought down the wrath on his own son by declaring all 1st born Israel would die.


11 posted on 05/02/2006 9:53:32 AM PDT by No Blue States
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Alouette

Sounds like Daniel chapter seven's "Little Horn" is "speaking Great things"............


12 posted on 05/02/2006 9:54:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (In warfare there are no constant conditions. --- The Art of War by SunTzu)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: No Blue States

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KjvDani.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=7&division=div1


13 posted on 05/02/2006 9:56:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (In warfare there are no constant conditions. --- The Art of War by SunTzu)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: scooter2

>>Yep, and if we do strike first we should do so in a fashion that ensures that there will no longer be an Iran to strike back.<<

I have not seen an estimate below 1000 sorties and to do that you've got to take out all their air defenses, command and control and retaliation capacity. All that is gonna make them less able to strike at Israel or anybody else.

and frankly to be really sure we'll need boots on the ground. So this guy is acting in a way that doesn't make sense.


14 posted on 05/02/2006 9:59:01 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: gondramB

He's a psychotic. There's nothing to understand.


15 posted on 05/02/2006 9:59:18 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: gondramB
He really does sound like he wants a war and wants us to strike first.

Yeah. I showed up to post that. This is sounding more and more like he wants to be hit.

Hm. Maybe their nuclear program isn't as far along as we think. Or maybe they have something ghastly already in place and they're looking for a justification to let it loose. Or maybe he is just a psycho.

I'd give a lot to know.

16 posted on 05/02/2006 10:03:33 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: gondramB

'I don't understand his game."

I do. He's dying of cancer. He's a member of a sub-cult of Islamist who want an apocalypse. He wants to bring about said apocalypse.

Pretty much Jim Jones with nukes.


17 posted on 05/02/2006 10:06:14 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

>>He's a psychotic. There's nothing to understand.<<

This is a 3,000 year old country with a long history of science and learning. And the President isn't really in charge - and he is actually more moderate than many his competitors.

If the realy rulers are allowing him to invite a war then there is a reason. They expect to profit in some fashion. I just don't know what it could be.


18 posted on 05/02/2006 10:08:38 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: gondramB

The "profit" they have in mind is after everyone is dead.


19 posted on 05/02/2006 10:10:36 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: prion

>.Hm. Maybe their nuclear program isn't as far along as we think. Or maybe they have something ghastly already in place and they're looking for a justification to let it loose. Or maybe he is just a psycho.<<

I' ve wondered if maybe they have not aquired a bomb or two from the ex-soviets or Pakistan and maybe their internal program isn't going so well.... But they ought to be able to see what happened to Saddam.

And they know President Bush can't be reelected the next President could be a Democrat - why push for us to attack them faster?


20 posted on 05/02/2006 10:10:49 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: gondramB

He does.

This is what will make the Mahdi come out of the well he is hiding in.

Sort of like Armageddon bringing Christ back.


21 posted on 05/02/2006 10:11:54 AM PDT by EEDUDE (A penny saved is......a penny Congress overlooked.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: MeanWestTexan

>.I do. He's dying of cancer. He's a member of a sub-cult of Islamist who want an apocalypse. He wants to bring about said apocalypse.

Pretty much Jim Jones with nukes.<<

That's not unreasonable... But if its true maybe we should assasinate him instead. We are planning war because we assume his replacement would be the same.


22 posted on 05/02/2006 10:12:07 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Alouette
ap whack at it..

Iran Threatens Israel if U.S. Attacks

23 posted on 05/02/2006 10:13:19 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,waves to photographers as he arrives to his office in Tehran, Iran , Tuesday, May 2, 2006.(AP Photo/Hasan Sarbakhshian)


24 posted on 05/02/2006 10:14:04 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

>>The "profit" they have in mind is after everyone is dead.<<\

I posted a vanity about a talk with my Islamic plumber... that is exactly what he said about Iran. That the president wanted a war because he doesn't care about his life or the lives of his people but only in the afterlife.


25 posted on 05/02/2006 10:14:18 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: MeanWestTexan
"Iran will blow up Israel if SOMEONE doesn't act."

Oh REALLY? And Israel will simply sit back and allow this to happen?

26 posted on 05/02/2006 10:15:24 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: EEDUDE

>>He does.

This is what will make the Mahdi come out of the well he is hiding in.

Sort of like Armageddon bringing Christ back.<<

If that is right, does if effect our response? Don't we still have to attack if the alternative is letting them get the bomb?


27 posted on 05/02/2006 10:15:32 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Alouette

Thus the Iranians begin their rope-a-dope...of us.

They know they can refine now, and have set up the capacity. Now they'll expand the capacity so they can do more and more.

Stopping now is tactical. None of the European or Asian powers wants a war, so Iran appearing to really be going for nuclear power and not weapons can be used as an excuse, a cover, by governments to be able to say "See, pressure worked!" and back away from supporting any action. Then Iran will get more in place and do it again. Saddam played this rope-a-dope with the world for years, but HE didn't have the centrifuges and the refining capacity and scientists. Iran does.

All the while, the Iranian President telescopes his intentions to the Islamist world and becomes the de facto champion, by bearding the American lion.

Keep an eye on the American carriers. How many are in the Persian Gulf is a good indication of when, or if, the US is planning a military response.


28 posted on 05/02/2006 10:21:40 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MeanWestTexan

Where did you read about him dying of cancer?


29 posted on 05/02/2006 10:22:34 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Eagles Talon IV

Fortunately Israel has a new missile/air defense system, called ARROW built with the US (the US (THAAD) version is mobile, but still in testing). Plus any Iranian missiles will have to pass over areas with a US presence. Our Patriots and Aegis ships will shoot them down. And if Iran really did nuke Israel, Israel would nuke them off the map. Of course the Iranian regime is trying to fulfill some apocalyptic prophecy do they do not care about logic or sense, they will probably try, once they get nukes.


30 posted on 05/02/2006 10:24:28 AM PDT by gafusa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Vicomte13
>>They know they can refine now, and have set up the capacity. Now they'll expand the capacity so they can do more and more. <<

Speaking of refining... they import refined petroleum... I would think they would want to stall until they can get some refineries built.
31 posted on 05/02/2006 10:24:48 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Eagles Talon IV

"Iran will blow up Israel if SOMEONE doesn't act."Oh REALLY?"

"And Israel will simply sit back and allow this to happen?"

Last time I checked, Israel was "SOMEONE"


32 posted on 05/02/2006 10:27:37 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: GeorgefromGeorgia

I cannot recall, but it was an actual news source.

To be fair, I believe he was "diagnosed" with cancer, not necessarily dying.


33 posted on 05/02/2006 10:35:33 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Alouette

We should go in now, before the nuke program is dispersed and put in caves.

There is no justifiication for this U.N. crap that is a waste of time.

I see a failure of nerve.


34 posted on 05/02/2006 10:35:58 AM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Eagles Talon IV

>>Oh REALLY? And Israel will simply sit back and allow this to happen? <<

Weren't you a fighter pilot? The esitimates I've see on 1,000+ sorties point to a need for U.S involvement ... it would be good to hear a Freep assessment with a pilot background though.


35 posted on 05/02/2006 10:36:27 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

And Pres. Bush is trying to use reason with this psychotic.

That makes him a fool.


36 posted on 05/02/2006 10:36:28 AM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: tomahawk

>>And Pres. Bush is trying to use reason with this psychotic.

That makes him a fool.<<

I think the war plan is in motion but we have to persue a parallel diplomatic track for legal cover. The President knows that the chance of a real diplomatic solution is pretty much zero unless there is a revoltuion in Iran and the government is replaced.


37 posted on 05/02/2006 10:38:44 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: gondramB

I personally believe all the great science and learning was due to the millions of Hebrews that were living in that area for so long. Only about forty three thousnd Hebrews went back to build the second Temple. Ever since the national socialist dumbocrap (nazi) Jimma Carter caved in to Iran, we have owed them a really good beating. I wish our leadership felt the same way. Our so called leaders are allowing the philistine midget call our Creator and Nation vile names, and be powerless to pop him with a powerfull rock(et). We need a Dawid to stand up.


38 posted on 05/02/2006 10:41:32 AM PDT by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name! Islam, the end time Beast-the harlot of Babylon.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: gafusa
"And if Iran really did nuke Israel, Israel would nuke them off the map.

My thoughts, exactly.

39 posted on 05/02/2006 10:42:03 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Red Badger

This nutjob actually believe the 12th imam is the "messiah" who is ready to return. They believe Jesus will come back also and admit he was wrong and will kill all the Jews. They really believe this and are setting up the circumstances for the great return.
Their version of events is similar to mine EXCEPT in my version THEY are the Antichrist and false prophet. My Jesus will come back and knock their socks off.


40 posted on 05/02/2006 10:44:00 AM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: MeanWestTexan

Your statement seemed to be pleading for someone OTHER then Israel to take action.


41 posted on 05/02/2006 10:44:06 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: gondramB

I am a pilot but not a fighter pilot.


42 posted on 05/02/2006 10:45:07 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: jackv

Daniel Chapter 7...........


43 posted on 05/02/2006 10:45:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (In warfare there are no constant conditions. --- The Art of War by SunTzu)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Eagles Talon IV

No, you pretty much read that into it yourself.

To be fair, I intentionally did not name an actor. But mainly because I am tired of the US having to do the heavy lifting for everyone else.


44 posted on 05/02/2006 10:46:37 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: MeanWestTexan

Imagine that you are Israel. Two other parties are in a conflict with each other, and one of them turns to you and says, "If your buddy here does anything to tick me off, I'm going after you." It seems to me that Iran is asking for Israel to take preemtive action. Why? Because it is the fulfillment of prophecy, because Israel is the main enemy, and maybe, just maybe, because Iran thinks it would do better against them than against US. Maybe they hope to quickly obliterate Israel and that we will be to confused and demoralized to respond to their fait accompli.


45 posted on 05/02/2006 10:47:03 AM PDT by Stirner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: tomahawk

Makes me wonder...


46 posted on 05/02/2006 10:47:18 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Alouette
Do anything, anything and I'm gonna squeeze!


47 posted on 05/02/2006 10:47:42 AM PDT by kinghorse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MeanWestTexan
Pretty much Jim Jones with nukes.

An excellent allusion!

Pretty much describes most state leaders, given half a chance.

48 posted on 05/02/2006 10:48:15 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: gafusa

Most importantly, they have no delivery system capable of handling a U-235 weapon.

They're big, heavy beasts. Little Boy took a whole B-29.

I suppose they could dummie up a 737 or use a frieghter, but missle are out.

For now.


49 posted on 05/02/2006 10:49:28 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Stirner

Very possible.

I would hope the US and Israel could do a joint action.

A car bomb or smart bomb taking the leadership out would be worth a try for now.


50 posted on 05/02/2006 10:51:33 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-89 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson