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Pacifist group revealed as moral imbeciles
The Calgary Sun ^ | 04/02/2006 | By Ian Robinson

Posted on 04/02/2006 6:01:57 AM PDT by oxcart

Pacifist group revealed as moral imbeciles By Ian Robinson

When the three Western hostages were rescued by coalition forces in Iraq last week and returned to Canada, was I the only one who was disappointed?

Was I the only one who thought: Dear Lord. Is THIS what all the fuss was about?

These smarmy, international busybodies, the Gladys Kravitzes of the Iraq occupation, peering out at the world from behind the curtains with their pursed little disapproving lips?

These sanctimonious, reality challenged little creeps?

And even after the release, the organization to which they're attached was still taking metaphorical shots at the coalition of troops who rescued them.

"As peacemakers who hold firm to our commitment to non-violence, we are also deeply grateful that they fired no shots to free our colleagues," their press release said.

What would the hostages have done if shots had been fired? Voluntarily returned to captivity?

If ever a group wasn't worth the effort and risk to free them, it's these guys.

NOTE TO CHRISTIAN PEACEMAKER TEAMS: For the love of the God you claim to follow, hire a public relations consultant.

Otherwise, the next freed hostage of yours might turn up and say what James Loney did, that: "After this, I'm going to disappear for a little while into a different kind of abyss -- an abyss of love."

An abyss of love. Loney, you silver-tongued devil, you.

A report out of Baghdad also indicated these self-involved, self-righteous morons declined to provide valuable intelligence about their kidnappers to the British, U.S. and Canadian soldiers who saved their lives!

See, members of Christian Peacemaker Teams are pacifists and they don't co-operate with men with guns who might use the information to track down kidnappers and/or terrorists and shoot them in the head until they agree to stop kidnapping and/or terrorizing people.

Pacifists don't believe in violence and refuse to use it or abet its use. Pacifists are therefore moral imbeciles.

They're like the guy at the party who won't kick in for the pizza but sneaks a slice when he thinks nobody's looking.

Pacifists are the same.

They're thieves who enjoy the protection offered by those they morally despise but aren't willing to get their hands dirty themselves.

They walk down our safe Canadian streets, enjoying that safety.

Never mind the only reason our streets are safe is because criminals are hunted down by men and women called "police officers."

Criminals don't co-operate with police and go meekly to the holding cells because criminals are nice people. They co-operate with police because if they don't, they'll get pepper-sprayed in the face or thumped with a baton or shot in the head, depending upon the degree of their non-co-operation.

We have a functioning government in this country even when the Liberals are in power --although it pains me greatly to admit it,

Taxes are paid and used to fund various projects which are, technically, for the good of all.

I personally would not volunteer to pay income taxes because I am a greedy libertarian.

I pay my taxes because if I don't, men with guns in the service of the state will come to my house and drag my sorry butt to the slammer for evading income taxes.

We live in a civilized society -- in which wimpy pacifist losers can walk around safely -- because we live under constant threat of socially sanctioned government violence.

It's the reason I don't speed (too much), rob banks, use heroin, enslave the weak so I never have to do my own laundry again, or hunt down the teachers who annoyed me in high school to cover them in Hershey's chocolate syrup and stake them out on the nearest red ant hill in the hot sun.

(Yeah. Right. Like you've never thought about what you'd do if Parliament accidentally repealed the Criminal Code for a day.)

Pacifists such as Loney have never accomplished anything in this world and never will, and they've certainly never created what they purport to love: Peace.

They believe violence never solves anything when, in fact, the judicious use of violence solves many of the large problems.

South Korea is free because men -- real men, not pacifists -- sacrificed to stop the North Koreans from enslaving it. Ditto for Nazi and Japanese aggression during the Second World War. Violence ended black slavery on this continent.

All of those achievements were won by men with guns, not the wimps on the sidelines praying and feeling smug about occupying the moral high ground.


TOPICS: Canada; Editorial
KEYWORDS: christianpeacemaker; cpthostages; ianrobinson; kember; loney; moonbats; peaceweasels; tomfox
Spot on article.
1 posted on 04/02/2006 6:01:58 AM PDT by oxcart
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To: oxcart

I have a favorite quote for the pacificists:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

-John Stuart Mill


2 posted on 04/02/2006 6:05:09 AM PDT by Nova442 ("Cry Havoc and let slip the Dogs of War.")
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To: oxcart

bookmark


3 posted on 04/02/2006 6:10:21 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: oxcart
If ever a group wasn't worth the effort and risk to free them, it's these guys.

AMEN! Good article, by the way - thanks for posting it.

4 posted on 04/02/2006 6:11:51 AM PDT by LibSnubber (Liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: oxcart

Excellent - and true.


5 posted on 04/02/2006 6:19:48 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: oxcart
These smarmy, international busybodies, the Gladys Kravitzes of the Iraq occupation...


6 posted on 04/02/2006 6:25:36 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: oxcart

Absolutely bingo!


7 posted on 04/02/2006 6:26:47 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Nova442

Great quote. Thanks.


8 posted on 04/02/2006 6:28:17 AM PDT by hershey
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To: oxcart
For the love of the God you claim to follow, hire a public relations consultant.

They do not follow God.

These little people are out only to boost their own sense of inferiority.

The god they follow is stupidity and in that boat are all Muslims also!

9 posted on 04/02/2006 6:29:06 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: Nova442

Great quote. If I am not mistaken, he also said something very close to: "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon our enemies".


10 posted on 04/02/2006 6:34:10 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: Nova442

Excellent quote! My daughter is a senior at Univ of Tex. She said the "pacifists" are mean. She is afraid to upset them with hew views because she said they get angry easily and they will throw bottles and rocks at you. She said they have peace buttons all over their smelly hippy backpacks. She wants to buy some conservative buttons and put them on their backpacks while they aren't looking! She has one class, geography, where in the first week most of the students said "I don't care about making a lot of money" After FIVE years in college to get an education and a good job, she was thinking to herself "Geez I am in the wrong class!!!!" She knows it takes a lot of money just to pay the mortgage/rent, car payment, utilities, food, insurance, etc etc etc. She has priorities. She doesn't intend to live in a van down by the river nor does she plan to protest against her own country!


11 posted on 04/02/2006 6:36:12 AM PDT by buffyt (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
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To: oxcart

These groups would be the ones making sure there were straight lines and no shoving while marching to the gas chambers. Who do they think got them released ...Jimmy Carter's Sunday School class? What about their compatriot who was tortured and then shot in the head? I'm sure they are blaming Bush for that. These people make me want to puke.


12 posted on 04/02/2006 6:48:58 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: oxcart

I have often wondered just how involved in their own "kidnappings" these idiots are. It soothes me a bit to know that they ALWAYS get more than they bargained for when they find out that the terrorists aren't exactly what they fantasized.
These "peace activists" are exactly what Rush said they are: lonely, unimportant little people who do not matter. They want desperately to be involved, somehow so as to NOT feel as unimportant as they are.
These had no business being in a war zone, no reason to be there, but wanted to do something, ANYTHING to assuage their pathetic little egos.
These morons are no different from those we have been seeing since VietNam.


13 posted on 04/02/2006 7:00:11 AM PDT by 13Sisters76
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To: oxcart

They claim to be against violence yet condone these same people that violently murdered their driver and translator. They had guns so I wonder why they're willing to protect and assist them to kill more than assist us so that we can prevent the very thing they're against...more killing.


14 posted on 04/02/2006 7:40:08 AM PDT by chcknhawk
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To: Jacquerie

That was, I believe, George Orwell.


15 posted on 04/02/2006 7:45:00 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: oxcart
They're like the guy at the party who won't kick in for the pizza but sneaks a slice when he thinks nobody's looking.

so true.

16 posted on 04/02/2006 7:51:03 AM PDT by paltz
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To: PzLdr

Yes, Orwell. Thanks.


17 posted on 04/02/2006 8:01:33 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
See, members of Christian Peacemaker Teams are pacifists and they don't co-operate with men with guns who might use the information to track down kidnappers and/or terrorists and shoot them in the head until they agree to stop kidnapping and/or terrorizing people.

I know you have thought of these matters. Would you agree that these people are way off base in refusing to cooperate with the authorities in the cited instance?

My two cents: I believe they are free to believe as they choose, right up to the point that their beliefs place others in danger. They have crossed that line and should be held accountable for aiding and abetting.

18 posted on 04/02/2006 8:01:58 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Jacquerie
Or you might consider

"We live in a great and free country only because our forefathers were willing to wage war rather than accept the peace that spells destruction."

--Teddy Roosevelt

19 posted on 04/02/2006 8:03:17 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: oxcart

I've been waiting for months to see something in print exposing these phony, "Rachel Corrie Wannabees" and the author of this piece really nailed it!



My negative thoughts about wimpy, pacifist Canadians have
been challenged by this excellent article.

Thanks for the post.


20 posted on 04/02/2006 8:15:47 AM PDT by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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21 posted on 04/02/2006 8:20:36 AM PDT by fanfan ( We have become the best/biggest news gathering entity in the whole known history of the world.)
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22 posted on 04/02/2006 8:24:30 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Jacquerie; oxcart; fanfan
Great quote. If I am not mistaken, he also said something very close to: "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon our enemies".

That was by George Orwell, and he has an even a better quote than that:

"The pacifist is objectively pro-fascist."

23 posted on 04/02/2006 8:29:39 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~¦ IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: oxcart
>>>"reminds me of the guy who won't kick in for pizza and then steals a slice when he thinks no one is looking">>>>

LOL Great line, I'm going to use it when my pacifists friends starts her whine about 'make love not war' crapola.
24 posted on 04/02/2006 8:48:29 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: don-o
Years ago, an Anabaptist theologian named John Howard Yoder wrote a book called "Nevertheless: The Varieties and Shortcomings of Religious Pacifism" (BTW available, used, for under $10 from Amazon.com) where he distinguished I think 14 kinds of Christian pacifism.

I only mentioned this to say that pacifists do not all believe or act identically; neither should they be painted with the same brush. Some will cooperate with their nation's military in an unarmed capacity (e.g. as battlefield medics; but some are members of religious denominations who are convinced that they are forbidden by Christ to take ANY part in war (Amish, for instance.)

I would argue that those who use force justly (important adverb alert: justly) to stop aggressors and protect life and liberty --- that would be good soldiers and good police --- are doing necessary and morally upright work. They should be able to count on everybody's cooperation in some capacity. That doesn't mean everybody has to tote a gun, but that does mean that everybody should support them through cooperation, taxes, prayers, etc. because this is our obligation in order to defend the common good.

Comments?

25 posted on 04/02/2006 8:50:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Ius in bellum)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Like many moral issues, "devil is in the details."

Good points.

26 posted on 04/02/2006 8:55:35 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: oxcart
These sanctimonious, reality challenged little creeps?

LOL.

27 posted on 04/02/2006 8:58:35 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Nova442

Nice rant, well worth the read.


28 posted on 04/02/2006 9:02:33 AM PDT by NTW64
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

"The pacifist is objectively pro-fascist."

To continue your quote:

"This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me’."

People who aid and tacitly support the enemy's violence are not pacifists no matter what they call themselves.


29 posted on 04/02/2006 9:05:26 AM PDT by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: Northern Yankee; Victoria Delsoul; oxcart
These smarmy, international busybodies, the Gladys Kravitzes of the Iraq occupation, peering out at the world from behind the curtains with their pursed little disapproving lips?

Beautiful! LOL!!

30 posted on 04/02/2006 9:09:58 AM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big".....Jerry Fletcher)
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To: Nova442

I have a favorite quote, too, Nova. It's: The first step down into hell is to deny evil.


31 posted on 04/02/2006 9:10:32 AM PDT by kitkat (Democrats: Millions for politics, but not one cent for national defense.)
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To: oxcart
Common sense from the great white north , BUMP!
32 posted on 04/02/2006 9:13:07 AM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: Owl558
Thanks for that, I knew he elaborated on that, but didn't know what he said!!

If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other.

True!

33 posted on 04/02/2006 9:16:23 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~¦ IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: Nova442

Excellent quote, thank you!


34 posted on 04/02/2006 9:17:51 AM PDT by oxcart (Journalism (Sic))
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To: oxcart
That reminds me of the time I was physically threatened by a "pacifist" because I was holding up a sign that said

PACIFISTS ARE
FREEDOM'S PARASITES

35 posted on 04/02/2006 9:20:28 AM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: 13Sisters76
If it was not for the "presstitutes" these low life scum protesters would not see the light of day.

I think most of them protest to feed their little ego's and increase their miniscule testosterone levels.
36 posted on 04/02/2006 9:28:00 AM PDT by oxcart (Journalism (Sic))
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To: buffyt

Tell your daughter that (thank God!) the rest of the world is not like Austin, and UT in particular.

I've heard complaints about geography classes before. Seems to be a particularly strident group of lefties in that department. I hope she makes A's and goes out into the world without having been brainwashed.


37 posted on 04/02/2006 9:28:51 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: albee
YW, I think Canada is more like the U.S...we just have more red States than they do.

P.S. I love Eric Hoffer.
38 posted on 04/02/2006 9:31:41 AM PDT by oxcart (Journalism (Sic))
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To: oxcart

This is the first time I have heard the act of sticking your winkie in another man's bum as " an abyess of love". This clown is pathetic and his 15 minutes of fame surely exhausted.


39 posted on 04/02/2006 9:34:53 AM PDT by albertabound (It's good to beeeeee Albertabound....)
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To: Nova442

Great quote. I'm stealing it for my profile page...


40 posted on 04/02/2006 1:43:58 PM PDT by veronica ("A person needs a sense of mission like the air he breathes...")
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To: fanfan

Great article. Many thanks for the post.


41 posted on 04/02/2006 3:47:05 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: Fair Go

I'm glad you're enjoying the Canada ping list.

:-)


42 posted on 04/02/2006 3:54:00 PM PDT by fanfan ( We have become the best/biggest news gathering entity in the whole known history of the world.)
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To: oxcart
As Robert Heinlein once wrote, "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine, in which a man accepts the benefits of the social group, refuses to pay his share of the costs, and then demands a halo for his dishonesty."
43 posted on 04/02/2006 6:08:12 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Excellent, thank you!


44 posted on 04/02/2006 6:10:55 PM PDT by oxcart (Journalism (Sic))
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To: fanfan

The material that is being posted is of a high standard and a good read.


45 posted on 04/02/2006 7:04:43 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: oxcart

Bump


46 posted on 04/02/2006 7:13:22 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: 13Sisters76
These "peace activists" are exactly what Rush said they are: lonely, unimportant little people who do not matter. They want desperately to be involved, somehow so as to NOT feel as unimportant as they are.

Sounds like Cindy Sheehan.

47 posted on 04/04/2006 7:29:44 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: Nova442

What an excellent quote.


48 posted on 04/07/2006 5:05:14 AM PDT by 13Sisters76
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To: oxcart
re :A report out of Baghdad also indicated these self-involved, self-righteous morons declined to provide valuable intelligence about their kidnappers to the British, U.S. and Canadian soldiers who saved their lives!

That stinks.

But I am glad we rescued them, and there actions after the rescue will damage there cause even more.

49 posted on 04/07/2006 5:09:50 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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