Posted on 04/01/2006 6:23:20 AM PST by kellynla
THE DEBATE over illegal immigration has reached a vigorous boil, with contrasting bills in the House and Senate and hundreds of thousands of protesters demonstrating nationwide. The complexities of this debate seem lost on many of the protesters. Many claim that what lies beneath reform efforts is raw racism, leading to the view that the recent protests signal a new civil rights movement.
It's simply not true. This nation's civil rights movement of the 1960s broke the back of white supremacy that prevented black Americans (who were citizens) from enjoying the rights guaranteed to them under the Constitution. Undeniably, the freedoms codified by civil rights-era legislation have made life better for all Americans — regardless of skin color, gender or national origin.
Now, many Latino immigrant-rights organizers and their sympathizers seem to be saying that there is some inherent right being expressed when people sneak into the country, thumb their noses at the law and make fools out of those who wait patiently in foreign lands for visas to come to the United States.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
April Fools from the LA Times? Written by Joe Hicks? Dunno, sounds made up!!!!
"(Excellent piece in the L.A.Times no less!) "
It IS April 1...
Bump.
yep, unfortunately the piece will not be in tomorrow's Sunday paper instead of today's, which very few actually read...
That looks like a VERY old postcard!!!
Uh...
Naaa. The Left is so deeply entrenched in delusion and denial, it'll never break out of the prison of its own paradigm.
The L.A.Times is just the broken clock accidentally getting the time right.
I just visited that for my first time two weeks ago very sacred ground. William Travis, the commander of the fort, knowing that Santa Ana was going to attack with a thousand troops, drew a line on the ground and asked any man willing to stay and fight to step over, all except one did, about 189 men, knowing they were probably going to die fighting. Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie were two of the brave hero's that day.
It is better than the claptrap that the LA Times publishes under its own editorial byline.
One point barely touched on anywhere in the press is the extreme tension and hostility that exists between Hispanics and the black community on this issue. This potential 9.0 Richter scale fault-line runs right through the Democratic base.
All my gosh, I just realized your name, do you serve on the USS Alaska? My son served on that submarine, he was the cook for about a year, around 2001 or 2002?
Yes, it's an op ed piece.
But even to allow some space in the paper for such an op ed says something positive about the LA Times.
I doubt you'd ever see such an op-ed in the New York Times.
Not to mention those legal immigrants who are going through the long, legal process of naturalization. I came to the US in 1980, got my green card in 1988 and did not become a citizen until 2000. Obviously I don't have a speck of sympathy for those illegals who are demanding special treatment!
When Mexico is set right the flood of illegal immigrants from Mexico will evaporate and reverse direction. When Mexican citizens can enjoy the same quality of life within Mexico that we enjoy within the USA, there will be no reason for the masses to look elsewhere for these opportunities.
Yeah then we can fix Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Somalia, Jamaica, China, Korea, Peru, etc ad infinitum any country on earth that has a lower standard of living..its the economic differences..
During the early 1800's Mexico began enticing settlers from the United States to move into the area that would eventually become Texas. These people brought with them a different culture, a different language and a different way of life. Eventually Mexico decided to clamp down on these people and the result was a civil war that would eventually lead to the Mexico losing most of its northern territory to the United States.
Today the reverse is happening. There is a rising tidal wave of immigrants from Mexico - a good chunk of them are violating US law. Of course, they don't like the law. They have described it as "Racist". They complain at length about not being able to go back and forth over the border freely. They don't like having to learn English. They don't like their children having to learn English. I'm told they're too poor and being ground beneath the heels of white devils that have no sympathy for their situation. Some of them have even claimed that the American Southwest should be returned to them.
So it is, from the bottom of my heart I just want to say: YOU MUST BE F*CKING JOKING.
You DARE to call me a racist? Do you even know what that word means? It means you believe a race (generally your own) is better than others. I notice the people in the protest lines are carrying MEXICAN flags and shouting their taunts in SPANISH. You want driving tests and other federal documents in Spanish (like it's a superior language.) You want US to cater to YOU be it in our schools, in our hospitals, in our justice system, etc. You demand that we tolerate you when you have demonstrated absolutely no tolerance for us. You want all the benefits of the US laws you like and freedom from the US laws you don't.
I'm warned not to make the Hispanic community mad. There are 12 million illegals and millions more legal citizens who will vote to have their way done. Okay, we live in a Democracy and the people often get their way. Now, what are you going to do about the 180-250 million people that disagree with you?
I have more bad news for you - the Texans of old lived in a distance part of Mexico where the population was sparse and Native groups didn't recognize any central authority. This made declaring independence for them rather easy. Unfortunately for Hispanics in the modern day, there are millions of people in the American Southwest who are proud Americans. Whereas the old Texans had to wait three months for a an from Mexico City to show up, you can expect your angry neighbors in minutes.
The only reason you are moving to the Southwest is because of the social programs that are not available in Mexico. (From what I'm told, most of you were poor down there and you're still poor up here - so why else would you come here?) The US has better schools, better welfare, better hospitals, better parks, better public transportation and the Post Office. My question is: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THIS AFTER YOU DECLARE INDEPENDENCE? Most states in the Union are in the red - and California is leading the pack. If it wasn't for the Federal government giving the states loans they'd all go bust. I doubt the poor Latinos have the money to subsidize the socialism you've come to love. Ironically, your movement is lead by big spending lefties that want more money poured into the system. Your state would crash in weeks.
And then of course, there is the effect on the United States itself. Nancy Pelosi might be a huge peacenik that loves minorities, but I think she'll lose all sympathy with your cause when she discovers that her House seat is going to be swallowed up into a new Hispanic state.
I'm tired of these people. The world doesn't owe you anything. If you want to come here and live and work - that's fine by me. But you're going to respect my culture and all of it's aspects, including it's laws (which includes speaking English.) Get mad all you want too, I don't care. I have news for you: illegals are not allowed to vote. Any illegal ballots we find will be thrown out. I'm glad you have the support of High School kids, but they don't vote either. Even the ones who are eighteen have the lowest voting rates of anyone in the country. You're sorely out numbered so either assimilate or go home.
Exactly. I believe that while you don't see hundreds of thousands of American citizens marching in the streets, there is a quiet undercurrent.
I am reminded of a story ( oddly enough, told to me in Mexico ) about what happened to the Mayans. Can't vouch for the historical accuracy:
The average Mayan never really left. However, they did get tired of building magnificent temples and buildings for the ruling class and the priests, and over time, abandoned the cities to rot ( with a few violent episodes as well ).
I wonder if a modern analogy will take place as well.
So let me see if I have it, anyone can sneak into this country illegally, and DEMAND their "RIGHTS" while waving the mexican flag. Okay I think I got it now, Almost forgot to add, WITH THE BLESSINGS OF OUR lawbreakers in Washington.
Yes they have RIGHTS the right to go straight to JAIL, do NOT pass go do NOT collect $200.00!! Oh and sit on your mexican flag while in jail.
So called "civil rights" were opposed by democrats during that time. Johnson, Byrd, etc.
A higher percentage of republican senators voted for it than dems.
Lincon freed the slaves, and he was a Republican.
Likely true, but I still want a fence built.
With landmines, dogs, machine gun towers.
BUMP
The lawlessness has just begun.
Noble sentiment. Wrong country. The clue is in the word "Mexicans." The place where this dipstick needs to be to help make Mexicans get their freedom and their rights is MEXICO--not the United States. Adios, muchacho.
These are not the illegals of a generation ago, these are the communists and the socialists of a new Mexico strongly influenced by Chavez and Castro.
Traditional in our family to make the trek to San Antonio every few years. It teaches the kids and keeps reminding them of the sacrifices made.
Why do you want to assist nations that do not have a shared border with us?
Also, it might surprise you, but Mexico has very stringent border control on their southern border and strong laws against immigrants from other countries. They do not hesitate in the apprehension and deportation of illegal immigrants into Mexico. All the proposals being made in our country to deal with the problem fall short of what Mexico has in place right now. Mexico has to be changed, not the USA.
I'm very tired of people wanting to change our nation and laws because of problems created outside our borders. It's nothing short of cowardly behavior to continue to bow to pressures from beyond our borders.
MARK
Excellent post!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it will have to happen.
Personally I think the way to get the illegals out of the country is to promise them free medical care, driver's licenses, and social security #'s if they vote Republican. We do that and the Rats will start rounding them up in a heartbeat....
I'll bump to that.
I fear you are correct. The border must be sealed immediately or we're going to be fighting to protect it from both sides.
"What immigrant-rights groups refuse to acknowledge is that an unchecked flow of unskilled labor drives down wages for entry-level jobs, rendering all poor Americans, including millions of teenage workers, less than competitive."
"Are illegal workers doing jobs that Americans won't do? This often-heard argument is specious. The reality is that most Americans won't do entry-level labor for the meager wages often offered to undocumented workers."
Why? Because we, Americans, don't get all the freebies that are provided to ILLEGAL ALIENS!!! So, it costs us more to exist while we're paying for ILLEGAL ALIENS to live here!
ENOUGH, ALREADY!!!
I agree with you but do not underestimate the resistance. For Mexico to be "set right" will mean that Fox and his pals and the rest of the ruling class down there will lose everything they have come to depend on for their privileged lives. If it could be made to happen though, yes it would solve the problem, (and set off an economic boom that would dwarf our own of the last ten years.)
Lincoln never freed the slaves, btw. That is a myth. Missouri slaves would disagree with that.
Neither party will do anything on this issue because of the fear of losing in office.
Just about says it all doesn't it? They are clueless.
I have a slightly different take on the left. I think I'm starting to see an abandonment of some sorts of the political left by the rank and file white liberals. In some ways they are ahead of the curve and want to beat the coming anarchy. I've been going to the Peak Oil BBs and 90 percent of the posters there are libs and they are mostly concerned about finding some type of hippy living arrangements not the "social justice" shtick that is peddled by the MSM.
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