Want to Protest? Stop Paying Taxes (Turn the IRS into the Immigration Redelivery Service?)

Rush Limbaugh .com ^ | 3/27/06 | The Maha

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

No, but neither am I so closed-minded that I dismiss out-of-hand ideas that may hold some promise of reversing the course of an elitist, self-aggrandizing Congress that thinks that they control the country.

OK, one more time:

You expect people to risk every damn dime of their assets in a tax revolt...when those same people are violating the same laws they allegedly want to be toughened up and more strictly enforced.

Do you see the disconnect yet?

As for the aside: sorry, you post as if (a) you don't read and (b) you don't bother to analyze what you read; you instead respond to what you think or wish I said.

[Jim_Curtis]

For telling me to do something that will likely get me arrested and thrown in prison? This "advice" is about as brilliant as me advising him to take an oxycontin pill.

I think Rush calls it "illustrating a point with absurdity". You missed the point.

[Vicomte13]

"I think Rush calls it "illustrating a point with absurdity". You missed the point."

He calls it that, but he is a very clever man.
He won't call it "Floating a trial balloon", but that's also what it is.

[Libloather]

Does this mean that Rush has gotten on board with the flat tax?

I think so but - from above -

Fewer and fewer people are paying federal income taxes, so the opportunity to reform the program is soon to vanish because once the minority is the one paying taxes and the majority of people are not paying federal income taxes, you have no hope for reform.

[Flavius Josephus]

Dumbing down the Ed. system may pay off yet. The Fed/Guv can't get enough help that can handle the job, and besides that they HAVE to hire the correct numbers of various mainorities, just to be fair.

Why do I see the IRS offshoring to Bangalore? In fact, it would be a great idea because non-americans would be even more ruthless in tracking down the tax cheats and deadbeats. And those Indians can be nasty.

[Flavius Josephus]

The concept of taking a page out of the adversary's playbook is intriguing if it could be done without yourself becoming just another public burden

Well, we've got to do something. And no one likes having their tactics turned back on themselves.

Currently my plan of boycotting mexican food doesn't seem like it will be all that effective.

[Flavius Josephus]

I hate to say this, it's heresy, but a good stiff sharp recession would bring the issue into clearer focus.

[Flavius Josephus]

Hey! The BBs paid into it all their lives, so don't try to hang this on them. This country deserves what's coming to it. Shhheeez, I can't believe I just typed that.

[Chickensoup]

If all the productive people just took a couple of weeks off the government would crumble.


Would all the government crumble, or would the bureaucrats and leeches lose out?

[LibertarianInExile]

"Of course you can [fight a government that can pay jackbooted thugs with fiat money that the average American will accept as legal tender]. You all hate France, but France is showing you how to do it right now. 10 million of you flat out refuse to pay the law, refuse to shut up, refuse to move on, and if anybody lays a finger on them, all of their friends and relatives get MORE pissed off and come out too. The government can't imprison even a million people, let alone 10 million, or 50 million."

First off, you can fight the government--but not the way Rush advocates. Second, to push the French way to deal with lawbreaking as the appropriate way is the height of Gaullic gall--anyone can see how well Chirac and Villepin handled their riots. Third, you CAN imprison a million people--and the U.S. does. Fourth, the army and police haven't been called out to break tax protests (mostly because there haven't BEEN any tax protests, nor would there be as Rush advocates here), but you can bet it'll be dangerous if the police or army do decide not to follow orders, because it'll be a revolt against civil authority (a rightful one, but who knows how far that would go)?

The problem with the kind of authority Rush wants to buck is that it thrives on quiet disobedience. It can arrest in the middle of the night and legally harass people out of property if they are lawbreakers. What the government cannot do is break someone who is simply making it look bad by exposing the government's wrongdoing in a wholly public and legal way, because then the people doing so are subjecting themselves to the law. Civil obedience through total compliance with the law is far more effective in dealing with bureaucrats and politicos than civil disobedience is, especially if the law is smart enough to prepare for that disobedience. And the government is well-equipped to randomly punish enough protestors to break any such movement, Rush's bravado notwithstanding.

As an example, if people who wanted to protest the border lawbreaking drove from the El Paso and Brownsville highways north at the speed limit, two or three or four abreast, it would completely snafu traffic there, piss a lot of people off, and as another thread has noted, it'd be very difficult to prosecute the protestors for not breaking the law. It would also be easy for the protestors to point out that the traffic backup caused by these legal protestors is nothing compared to the traffic caused by ten million illegals driving our roads daily.

[mugs99]

Would all the government crumble, or would the bureaucrats and leeches lose out?

It would take months to bring down the government. Two weeks would just clean out the leeches and cause the bureaucrats to beg for mercy. A couple of days would stun the elite media.
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[GadareneDemoniac]

Agreed.

A good old-fashioned plate of humble pie would benefit a lot of folks who disdain hard work and make "easy money" and "gadgets" their gods. Not too tasty, perhaps, but good for the country.

[Vicomte13]

"A good old-fashioned plate of humble pie would benefit a lot of folks who disdain hard work and make "easy money" and "gadgets" their gods. Not too tasty, perhaps, but good for the country."

Indeed! There are a supeabundance of deer overrunning everything. Thinning the herd would not be terrible. I disagree about the delicacy, however. Humble pie is cheap (free!) but it's good.

[pigdog]

As recently as a couple of years ago, Rush was in denial that any type of tax reform such as the FairTax would ever happen since he believed it was politically impossible.

Obviously, he's one of the mouthpieces who has re-thought his notions and now realizes that there's a lot of impetus behind tax reform. You're right, though, in that he still doesn't realize the "flat tax" is just another form of income-based tax with almost all of the drawbacks of the present system (the idiotic "tax return on a postcard" notion notwithstanding).

Who knows, maybe he'll eventually do some real looking into the FairTax. Should he do so, I believe he'd be wholeheartedly for it.

[pigdog]

That's the old "... don't tax you and don't tax me ..." syndrome to make sure your neighbor, rather than you, gets it in the skivvies ...

[pigdog]

You seem unfamiliar with the Bear Stearns study of a bit over a year ago which persuasively showed that at that time there were 21 million illegal aliens (NOT 10 or 12 million as the government and media are now parroting).

By this time the total is probably up to around 25 million.

If the so-called "protest" by/for illegals is not sufficient "advance notice" of what's coming from outside our country, then we're all blind and deserve what we get. The way this seems to be shaping up is that the entire world's population will sneak into the country and demand that we make them "legal citizens" and provide unlimited largess (and, of course, all without paying taxes themselves).

Talk about WMD ...

[ancient_geezer]

You seem unfamiliar with the Bear Stearns study of a bit over a year ago which persuasively showed that at that time there were 21 million illegal aliens (NOT 10 or 12 million as the government and media are now parroting).

Interestingly it just so happens I got a bump on that one early this morning. An article even more applicable in today's controversy as it was at the time it was posted.

 

The Underground Labor Force is Rising to the Surface
Robert Justich and Betty Ng, CFA
January 3, 2005
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424067/posts

[FreeKeys]

Boortz has always said if the "Godfather"(Rush) got behind the Fair Tax it might have a chance to get implemented.

If Boortz would repeat his insight about illegal aliens often enough he wouldn't need Rush, even though Rush appears to have gotten on board anyway.

What insight? Glad you asked: With The FairTax, illegals (and maybe "temporary guest workers" or whatever, depending on how the law is passed) WOULD ACTUALLY BE PAYING TAXES AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE THAN REGULAR CITIZENS. WHY? BECAUSE THEY WOULD GET ABSOLUTELY NO REBATES, PREBATES OR TAX REFUNDS!!! THAT's why.

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[Cyber Ninja]

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