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FR Poll: Do you support HR 4437 (Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control)
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Posted on 03/27/2006 4:04:04 AM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: tdewey10

You are too wrong to comment more on - perhaps from DU are you?


21 posted on 03/27/2006 5:13:25 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: Jim Robinson

I too don't trust the Senate. I like the bill, but if local enforcement is not there, what of the bill?


22 posted on 03/27/2006 5:13:58 AM PST by Visalia
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To: tdewey10

33% of the U.S. prison population is made up of illegals.

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of outstanding
homicide warrants are for illegal aliens, as are 66 percent of fugitive felony warrants. The notorious 18 Street Gang has 20,000 members, of whom 60 to 80 percent are illegal aliens, according to the California Department of Justice and the Los Angeles Police Department, respectively. The Lil’ Cycos Gang, notorious for murder, racketeering, and drugs in Los Angeles’s MacArthur Park, was thought to be 60 percent illegals in 2002, and the percentage is higher now.


90 percent of the meth (methamphetamine) manufactured in this country is manufactured by Mexican national (Mexican non-U.S citizen) drug organizations,"- Ron Gravitt, California Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement's clandestine lab unit chief, Oct. 2000, Sacramento Bee Special Report. "Methamphetamine cases today account for 80% of the nation's police departments' drug investigations

Over the past five years, an average of more than 72,000 aliens have been arrested annually on drug charges alone.

Taxpayers pay $750 million annually to house the 18,000 illegal aliens in California prisons alone.


23 posted on 03/27/2006 5:15:01 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: tdewey10

Cost of educating illegals each year: 28.6 billion dollars

Monetary burden on U.S. taxpayers: More than 10.4 BILLION dollars annually

Cost of Illegals on Medicaid: $2.5 billion.

Cost of Illegals for health insurance: $2.2 billion.

Cost of Illegals for food assistance: $1.9 billion.

Cost of Illegals on our legal systems: $1.6 billion.

Cost of Illegals on federal aid to schools: $1.4 billion.

Displaced American workers: Approximately 1.8 million annually.


24 posted on 03/27/2006 5:18:54 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Just mythoughts
-- “ ...these people will fight” --

Drudge alluded to that last night... and I have to totally concur. If half of America doesn't have the guts to fight Islamo-nazism in Iraq... they sure as hell won't stand up to illegals going beserk on Main Street USA. They'll demand peace at any price.

Every Senator and Representitive saw what happened in LA this weekend... they also know what's been happening in France. I look for our esteemed solons to do absolutely... NOTHING.

25 posted on 03/27/2006 5:25:33 AM PST by johnny7 (“Nah, I ain’t Jewish, I just don’t dig on swine, that’s all.”)
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To: Jim Robinson
Gov. Richardson (D-NM) is on FoxNews parroting GW -- 'jobs Americans won't do' yada yada yada.

We may have to start a list of which pundits, consultants, politicians come out for and which come out against.

The Illegal Immigration issue may turn out to be the primary issue as early as 06.
26 posted on 03/27/2006 5:26:41 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Jim Robinson

SUPPORT.

I am the husband of a naturalized American who got her citizenship the hard way -- LEGALLY.

If this many illegals are protesting so loudly, we must be doing something right.


27 posted on 03/27/2006 5:27:38 AM PST by Constitution Day (Comicalness Don't Win No Medals)
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To: tdewey10
I appoint you Ambassador to Nuevo Laredo...
28 posted on 03/27/2006 5:28:51 AM PST by johnny7 (“Nah, I ain’t Jewish, I just don’t dig on swine, that’s all.”)
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To: johnny7
Every Senator and Representitive saw what happened in LA this weekend... they also know what's been happening in France. I look for our esteemed solons to do absolutely... NOTHING.

Yes, and if that turns out to be true, the invasion has already resulted in the destruction of our national sovereignty -- they would appear to have won.
29 posted on 03/27/2006 5:30:35 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: johnny7
"Drudge alluded to that last night... and I have to totally concur. If half of America doesn't have the guts to fight Islamo-nazism in Iraq... they sure as hell won't stand up to illegals going beserk on Main Street USA. They'll demand peace at any price."


So many are so ticked at President Bush for not loading up these that are here illegally, and have not considered that there are some who are citizens and give support to the illegals would love to see this country in a blood bath.

Our media has been in a hunt for a "civil war" and they have demonstrated they do not much care where it is.

Seems people need be letting their elected representatives know what they expect their elected representative be doing about this problem before it gets to the blood letting point.

We are still Constitutionally a representative republic.
30 posted on 03/27/2006 5:32:47 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Jim Robinson
Support - however, the fence is a waste of money, just insane as they will fly over, tunnel under or walk around. If our laws were enforced both for illegal aliens and drug dealers most of the problem would cease. As it is our law enforcers are burdened with politically correct instructions - one is the "right to a trial". Legislation must be written to correct the abuse of that 'right' for illegals. Governor Napolitino of AZ is still doing nothing and the BP don't want the National Guard at the gates, they want them spread out on the borders - the Gov. and Kolbe are all about politics and nothing more…Kolbe didn’t even vote on HR4437! One lesbian Gov. and one Gay Congressman – AZ can do better than that………………….
31 posted on 03/27/2006 5:40:03 AM PST by yoe ("If the enemy is in range, so are you.")
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To: Jim Robinson

IMO, this situation is beyond our control. We've let it get to the point where, no bill , change in the law or personal opinion, will change what is happening. I guess I'm befuddled. All We can do is fence the borders but, the illegals here will probably just tear it down.


32 posted on 03/27/2006 5:40:08 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: stopem

I support 4437 and have sent every free fax I can from:

http://www.numbersusa.com/index

Plus, I have written numerious letters to my Congressman and Senators. Numbersusa gives my Senator, Mitch McConnell, a failing grade on Immigration and I agree with them.


33 posted on 03/27/2006 5:41:13 AM PST by airdalechief
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To: TheForceOfOne
Size of the Social Security Administration Earnings Suspense File as of 2005?

$205 billion dollars.

How fast is that file growing yearly?

$6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

Where is that money coming from?

In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2's with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.

Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.

Other researchers say illegal immigrants are the main contributors to the suspense file. "Illegal immigrants account for the vast majority of the suspense file," said Nick Theodore, the director of the Center for Urban Economic Development at the University of Illinois at Chicago. "Especially its growth over the 1990's, as more and more undocumented immigrants entered the work force."

Using data from the Census Bureau's current population survey, Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, an advocacy group in Washington that favors more limits on immigration, estimated that 3.8 million households headed by illegal immigrants generated $6.4 billion in Social Security taxes in 2002.

Source

Why is the Federal government not doing more to stop illegal immigration?

Because if they did, then they would have to fix the Social Security system.

Follow the money.

34 posted on 03/27/2006 5:53:55 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: tdewey10

Many illegals are criminals (aside from the illegality of their mode of entry).

You like this?


35 posted on 03/27/2006 6:01:34 AM PST by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To: TheForceOfOne

BTTT for your figures.


36 posted on 03/27/2006 6:04:29 AM PST by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes. Also agree with this:

"Yes... I support it... but I've also supported all the other laws dealing with illegal aliens that are ALREADY on the books. What good are laws... when the courts refuse to enforce them?"


37 posted on 03/27/2006 6:05:29 AM PST by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Because if they did, then they would have to fix the Social Security system.


SS was and always will be a forced participation in a "Ponzi" Scheme. Follow the money.
That is true, but while the money may flow, it doesn't flow in all directions nor should monetary gains through illegal activity be justified for any reason.
38 posted on 03/27/2006 6:15:39 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Jim Robinson

yes


39 posted on 03/27/2006 6:18:56 AM PST by Kokojmudd (Outsource GM to a Red State! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Suppor 4437. I am very supportive of Mexicans through free trade and maqiulladoras. I want economic growth for Mexico.

I even want the legal Mexican immigrants. But it is not fair to those who stand in line to have the illegals go first.


40 posted on 03/27/2006 6:26:24 AM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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