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Gas tax on miles, not gallons, tested in Oregon!
UPI | 3-25-2006

Posted on 03/26/2006 5:10:28 AM PST by runvus

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To: Republican Wildcat

You said -- "So if an emergency comes up and a loved one is rushed to the hospital, you have to pay taxes to go see them. Really outrageous, to say the least."

Now, wait a minute -- you're *already* paying taxes to see them at the hospital when you buy your gas at the pump.

I don't particularly like that idea of how they want to deal with gas taxes -- but, at least, let's be accurate and point out that you're *already* paying taxes by the mile -- as it is. It's just that your "tax per mile" is dependant upon your gas mileage, that's all. You're *paying it* -- nontheless.

Regards,
Star Traveler


101 posted on 03/26/2006 1:49:38 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: nightdriver

You said -- "You won't even get pulled over. You will get your ticket in the mail for everything for failing to signal a lane change, for exceeding the speed limit, to not wearing your seat belt."

Well, here in Texas (and in Oklahoma), you have to pay to drive on certain roads and you just get a "box" and you sail on down the road and they take the money right out of your account (don't see you, don't talk to you; just take the money).

So, they've been doing that for a while in Texas and Oklahoma. I've got a box from each of those states. The money just comes out of my account as I'm driving down the road.

Regards,
Star Traveler


102 posted on 03/26/2006 1:53:38 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: thirst4truth

---Also, we have gas station attendents pump our gas!!---

I met one passing through. She related ot me how she had moved up to Oregon from California 12 years earlier. I always wondered what all those Californians did up there.


103 posted on 03/26/2006 1:56:50 PM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran!)
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To: thirst4truth

You said -- "No, there is no sales tax on goods."

Another follow-up on that -- to make a comparison between Texas and Oregon. I just bought an Airport Extreme (wireless) and it cost me $16 more in Texas -- just for the taxes.

If I were in Oregon, I would have saved -- on just *one purchase* -- $16. This is adding up while I'm down here.... I'm wanting to get back to Oregon just to save money. I could save enough for retirement -- just from the sales tax down here in Texas.

Regards,
Star Traveler


104 posted on 03/26/2006 1:58:04 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: B4Ranch

Absolutely an undetected preflight item. Right up there with leaving the pitot tube cover on. Or better yet, which I have done, forgot the nosewheel pin on a Falcon 20.


105 posted on 03/26/2006 3:08:17 PM PST by blackdog (Forever re-timing flap tuckers. Hell is maintaining what stupid engineers sold to even dumber execs)
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To: blackdog

LOL Was taxiing a little tricky? haha A Falcon is one bird that I have never been off the ground in.


106 posted on 03/26/2006 3:17:47 PM PST by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: Travis McGee
Comrade, if you're not doing anything illegal, why should you mind a government GPS tracker in your car?

This is another step in the "total control grid" that our statist masters have planned for us.

Your every move, every word, and every purchase will be tracked. This information will then be processed to find "criminals". The sheeple will love it at first since only scumbags will be targeted. Eventually the program will expand, and they will make it a felony to have a "threat score" that is too high. Your "threat score" will be sort of like the no-fly list the gov't keeps. They won't tell you the algorithims they use to determine your score, so this will keep the sheeple in constant fear.

Just like in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, the majority of citizens won't wind up in the camps so long as they keep a low profile and pay their taxes and don't speak up too much.

107 posted on 03/26/2006 3:45:10 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Travis McGee

Anything the government can audit, they can tax. That's one reason why I'd mind it. Plus, it'd make a lousy SHTF vehicle.

Side note. This article doesn't say anything about where those gasoline taxes go. I don't know about Oregon, but in Texas about 25% of the gas tax is siphoned off (haha, I made a funny) for indoctrina,,,er,,,public education.


108 posted on 03/26/2006 4:05:55 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: af_vet_rr

"(although he is a former Democrat)."

LOL! It seems they can never quite change their stripes. It's interesting here in California the toll roads all run through the newer affluent developments! I think they like keeping out the riff-raff that can't afford the tolls!
I won't live in these communities, I can't stand homeowners associations. I really don't like someon telling me I can't park my car on my own driveway or paint my house the color I want.


109 posted on 03/26/2006 4:18:18 PM PST by antceecee (...some people would complain if you hung 'em with a new rope...)
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To: runvus

BIG BROTHER AT ITS WORST!!!!!!!!!!


110 posted on 03/26/2006 4:20:26 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Travis McGee
Comrade, if you're not doing anything illegal, why should you mind a government GPS tracker in your car?

Exactly the reason why I'll never get On-Star in my car(s).

111 posted on 03/26/2006 4:27:16 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: xrp

Wow, there's going to be a run-up on the price of old "pre GPS" cars! Keep your old 1965 chevy!!


112 posted on 03/26/2006 4:38:22 PM PST by snoringbear
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To: Pusterfuss
All that encouragement to buy fuel-efficient vehicles leads to this! I guess it is a variant of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

I can recall many years ago when San Diego Gas & Electric raised electric rates so high that few people decorated their homes at Christmas. The reduction in usage (revenue) was so significant that the California PUC granted them another rate increase to guarantee their profits on their capital base.

It was many years before people decided the rates were never going to drop again and they sorely missed the Christmas decorations. It never has returned with the fervor that I remembered prior to 1973.

113 posted on 03/26/2006 6:55:51 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Star Traveler
I could save enough for retirement -- just from the sales tax down here in Texas.

Wow! You see, there is this little thing called "The Internet". It's pretty cool as you can buy things from various merchants, some of which are tax free!

So to more fully enjoy Texas over the socialist paradise of Oregon, you may want to investigate it. I believe it even works on the Mac!

114 posted on 03/26/2006 7:05:58 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: VeniVidiVici

You said -- "Wow! You see, there is this little thing called "The Internet". It's pretty cool as you can buy things from various merchants, some of which are tax free!"

I get a lot through the Internet, but it won't work with several Internet sites. I know it won't work with Apple, for sure. They charge sales tax dependent upon where you ship it. If I ship to Oregon that exact same Apple product has no sales tax. If I ship to Texas, they charge the tax.

I've had the same problem with other Internet sites when I've tried to ship things to other places, other than Oregon. So, I just went down to the store and picked it up myself...

You'll find more and more places are charging the tax. I think that's the way it's going to go. So, better that I have a "live and ship to" address in Oregon. I can save a lot of money.

The same thing on cars, too. You save a lot of money on tax for a car in Oregon, versus a car in Texas. What a boat-load of tax they have on cars in Texas. Likewise for the yearly registration. You save quite a bit of money in Oregon.

So, while there may be some things that one might not like in Oregon -- I find that I do like a lot of things in Oregon. So, I can't wait to get back, actually.

Regards,
Star Traveler


115 posted on 03/26/2006 7:36:05 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: snoringbear

You said -- "Wow, there's going to be a run-up on the price of old "pre GPS" cars! Keep your old 1965 chevy!!"

I seem to remember reading something about this particular taxing plan about a year or two ago. It's been "in the works" for a while now. If I remember right, the older cars or those that don't have it (can't remember all the details about it) -- would be charged more, via the pumps -- while those who had a GPS device would be getting a break. That way, you end up paying *more* at the pump and *less* with the GPS device.

So, you see, the way they'll get people, in the beginning -- is by saving money the one way. You see, they'll never eliminate the collecting of the taxes at the pump, because there will be out of out-of-state cares around. But, they will end up paying a lot more than the in-state cars, because they'll be paying "at the pump" and at a higher rate.

I remember that was the "gotcha point" of the whole plan. So, it was an incentive to have the GPS device -- overall. I just can't remember all the details involved in it. And, furthermore, it will probably morph and change by the time it gets implemented.

Regards,
Star Traveler


116 posted on 03/26/2006 7:41:56 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: planekT

You said -- "Side note. This article doesn't say anything about where those gasoline taxes go. I don't know about Oregon, but in Texas about 25% of the gas tax is siphoned off (haha, I made a funny) for indoctrina,,,er,,,public education."

In Oregon the schools are funded by the property taxes. And I believe that all of the gasoline taxes go into roads -- but maybe part might have something to do with State Parks (but not sure...).

Regards,
Star Traveler


117 posted on 03/26/2006 7:44:40 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

I suppose since Texas had such good roads (one of the best states for roads in the country not too long ago) they decided we didn't need to put so much money in those roads.

So they took the "excess" and put it into public education.

Maybe someone will confirm my understanding of this. Or, say I'm wrong. But I believe that is what I have read.

We're now looking at a huge expansion of toll roads. I can't believe people are voting for it.

Taxes are pretty much out of hand. They can't balance their budget, they rob Peter to pay Paul, and try to hide it with stuff like this. That's my take.


118 posted on 03/26/2006 8:05:08 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: runvus

Watch - if this catches on in one state and sticks, others will soon follow. State governments are hungry for $, and will go to any length to get it.


119 posted on 03/26/2006 8:07:48 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Old_Mil

Yes.


120 posted on 03/26/2006 8:13:14 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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