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Anger over Christian convert in Kabul who faces death
Afghan News Network : The Times (UK) ^ | March 21, 2006 | Tim Albone

Posted on 03/21/2006 2:47:29 PM PST by Cboldt

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To: Ikemeister

Because it is true.

http://www.direct.ca/trinity/y3nf.html.


21 posted on 03/21/2006 4:18:00 PM PST by ROTB (Our Constitution ... only for a moral and religious people... -- John Adams, October 11, 1798)
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To: montag813

The solution is to throw them out of our lands first, then get out of their lands.

Ruling Muslims, who are wedded to Shariah, in a Western way, will never work.


22 posted on 03/21/2006 4:20:36 PM PST by Sometimes A River (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46031)
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To: Cboldt
Everyone please lift up Abdul Rahman in your prayers.

The prayers of a righteous man avail much

23 posted on 03/21/2006 4:25:29 PM PST by Hoodat ( Silly Dems, AYBABTU.)
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To: Cboldt
What I've been reading about this case is that it is a legal case brought against the man by his wife. It is not the government of Afghanistan that is punishing the man.

If this even gets to trial, the Afghan constitution declares freedom of religion. Doubtful the man will be executed. It is against their new laws.

As for barbaric law, I read on another current thread that a woman in England is suing a hospital for WRONGFUL BIRTH of her child. Seems she went in for an abortion of her twins and the hospital only managed to kill one of them.

There are laws on the books that hopefully a civil society can judicate with sense.
24 posted on 03/21/2006 4:25:53 PM PST by Republican Red ("How good is it? Al-Jazeera gave it 4 1/2 pipe bombs")
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To: Republican Red
What I've been reading about this case is that it is a legal case brought against the man by his wife. It is not the government of Afghanistan that is punishing the man.

I don't think so. This man is charged with apostasy. That isn't a civil charge. He is charged with violating sharia's demand that a muslim may not leave islam. Punishment...death.

25 posted on 03/21/2006 5:09:51 PM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Cboldt

It is my vow to this nation that I fight for its freedoms as a officer in the military. These freedoms include the freedom of religion. While Afghanistan is not my country on the command of my nation I could be called to go there and bleed or even die as others have already done. And while it is the national will of my nation to simply restore Afghanistan to its people enslaved previously by the Taliban I am left wondering what precious blood was spilt from young American men and women so that this nation, relieved from tyranny, can simply look at a man who wants HIS children back and want to MURDER him for being what I am....a Christian.

God help us all, especially this man and his children. May he be delivered from evil.


26 posted on 03/21/2006 5:10:57 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Republican Red
What I've been reading about this case is that it is a legal case brought against the man by his wife. It is not the government of Afghanistan that is punishing the man.

It's just odd to think of a judge not "being part of the government." What you are describing is the distinction in the US, between a civil suit and a criminal suit. I'm sure Afghan law is different in many respects, and I have no clue as to the structure of the Afghan legal system.

Same subject, different news ...

From today's press conference at the State Department:

QUESTION:... Did you have occasion to take up with the Minister the prosecution of an Afghan citizen and possible death sentence for converting to Christianity? And Mr. Minister, is that representative of the type of government, the type of society that the United States has committed itself to helping Afghanistan achieve, that somebody could be prosecuted and possibly killed for his religious beliefs?

UNDER SECRETARY BURNS: Barry, I'll be happy to answer that question first and then have the Minister say a few words. We did discuss the case of Mr. Abdul Rahman. And I said on behalf of our government that we hope very much the judicial case, which we understand is now underway, would be held in a transparent way. And of course, as our government is a great supporter of freedom of religion and as the Afghan constitution affords freedom of religion to all Afghan citizens, we hope very much that those rights, the right of freedom of religion will be upheld in Afghan court. And so I said that we would follow the case closely through our ambassador and our Embassy in Kabul and we would certainly continue our dialogue on this issue with the Afghan authorities.

FOREIGN MINISTER ABDULLAH: Thank you. Of course on this issue, I was informed about it during my trip -- the day before yesterday, and we discussed it here. We know -- I know that it is a very sensitive issue and we know the concerns of the American people. In fact, in our embassy we received hundreds of messages of such kind. As far as I understand the nature of the case has been that the wife of the gentleman has registered a lawsuit against her husband. And then the Government of Afghanistan has nothing to do in it. It's a legal and judicial case. But I hope that through our constitutional process there will be a satisfactory result out of that process.

QUESTION: Follow up on that?

UNDER SECRETARY BURNS: Sure.

QUESTION: What will be a satisfactory outcome for you --

FOREIGN MINISTER ABDULLAH: I'm not an expert on judicial cases, but I'm sure that the guideline for our judicial system will be constitution of Afghanistan.

QUESTION: Could you respond to that and is this acceptable or unacceptable for that man to be put to death for converting his religion?

UNDER SECRETARY BURNS: Well, certainly from an American viewpoint, certainly not. We believe in universal freedoms and freedom of religion is one of them. But I should also note more particularly and concerning this case, that the Afghan constitution, as we understand it, also provides for freedom of religion. And so from an American viewpoint, while we understand the complexity of a case like this and we certainly will respect the sovereignty of the Afghan authorities and the Afghan system. From an American point of view, people should be free to choose their own religion and people should not receive any severe penalties, certainly not penalty of death or, in our case, we would even say penalty of imprisonment for having made a personal choice as to what religion that person wishes to follow.

QUESTION: Can I just follow up on that just to ask why the United States isn't calling for this man to be released? If it was any other country, if it was China, I'm sure you would. Why in this case are you not prepared to just say plainly that this is wrong and this person should be released?

UNDER SECRETARY BURNS: I think I gave you a fairly straightforward answer to the last question in particular and I'm happy to do that again if that satisfies your need. But you know, this is a case that is not under the competence of the United States. It's under the competence of the Afghan authorities. And so we raised it with the Minister. We put our view forward that our belief is in freedom of religion for all individuals. And if there is to be a trial, we hope that it's going to be transparent so all of you and we can observe that trial. And we hope that the Afghan constitution is going to be upheld. And in our view, if it's upheld, then, of course, he'll be found to be innocent. If he has a right of freedom of religion, that ought to be respected.

Yes.

QUESTION: Just a quick follow-up and I have a different subject. Is the U.S. prepared to use any recourse or measures to ensure that this man is freed?

Certain members of Congress are calling for that.

And if I might, you've made some comments in the recent week that Iran is helping to support al-Qaida or at least not cracking down on them within their own country, allowing them to roam free and perhaps even supporting them. Could you expand on that? Do you have evidence or intelligence to indicate that Iran has stepped up its cooperation with al-Qaida?

UNDER SECRETARY BURNS: Well, on your first question, I think that obviously we've raised it with the Afghan Government. We ought to give the Afghan Government now the right to consider what it intends to do in the prosecution of this case. And the Minister has given you his answer. I'm sure he'll be happy to talk to you further about it. But it's within the competence of the Afghan authorities and we hope very much again that freedom of religion and the constitutional rights of that individual will be upheld.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/06_03_19_corner-archive.asp#093028


27 posted on 03/21/2006 5:22:38 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

**"He seems depressed. He keeps looking up to the sky, to God," said Mr Miakhel.**

This is a total outrage. I feel so sorry for Abdul and admire his courage.

Prayers for his continued strenght and safety.


28 posted on 03/21/2006 7:08:09 PM PST by Pepper777
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