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Serb killings 'exaggerated' by west
The Guardian ^
| Friday August 18, 2000
| Jonathan Steele
Posted on 03/13/2006 2:57:16 AM PST by Fred Nerks
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Any objective analysis would say there was a clear crisis. There was indiscriminate killing. There were attempts to clear hundreds of thousands of people out of their homes." When Yugoslav forces withdrew from Kosovo in June last year, Nato spokesmen estimated that the Serbs had killed at least 10,000 civilians. While the bombing was under way William Cohen, the US defence secretary, announced that 100,000 Kosovo Albanian men of military age were missing after being taken from columns of families being deported to Albania and Macedonia. "They may have been murdered," he said. The fear was they might share the fate of the men who were separated from their wives and children and executed when Serb forces overran the town of Srebrenica in Bosnia. But while some 7,000 Bosnian Muslims died in the week-long Srebrenica massacre in 1995, less than 3,000 Kosovo Albanian murder victims have been discovered in the whole of Kosovo. "The final number of bodies uncovered will be less than 10,000 and probably more accurately determined as between two and three thousand," Paul Risley, the Hague tribunal's press spokesman, said yesterday. In three months of digging this summer, the tribunal's international forensic experts found 680 bodies at 150 sites. This was in addition to the 2,108 bodies found at 195 sites last year before exhumations were called off because of winter frosts. "By October we expect to have enough evidence to end the exhumations by foreign teams, and they will not be necessary next year," Mr Risley added.
Although the tribunal has received reports of another 350 suspected grave sites, it believes the cost and effort of uncovering them would not be justified.
Some suspicious mounds or patches of rough earth in fields where villagers reported a foul stench turned out to contain dead animals or to be empty. When the tribunal's teams reached Kosovo last summer, shortly after the international peacekeepers, they were given reports of 11,334 people in mass graves, but the results of its exhumations fall well short of that number. In a few cases, such as the Trepca mine where hundreds of bodies were alleged to have been flung down shafts or incinerated, they found nothing at all. The tribunal's indictment of President Milosevic includes the charge that during Nato's bombing campaign Serb police shot 105 ethnic Albanian men and boys near the village of Mala Krusa in western Kosovo. Witnesses claimed hay was piled on the bodies and set alight.
Tribunal experts believe the remains may have been tampered with later, since the bones of only a few people were found. Motives questioned The exhumation of less than 3,000 bodies is sure to add fuel to those who say Nato's intervention against Yugoslavia was not "humanitarian" and that it had other motives such as maintaining its credibility in a post-cold war world. Others say Nato's air strikes revealed a grotesque double standard since western governments did nothing when hundreds of thousands were being massacred in Rwanda. Carla del Ponte, the tribunal's chief prosecutor, told the UN security council: "Our task is not to prepare a complete list of war casualties. Our primary task is to gather evidence relevant to criminal charges." Evidence of the forced deportation of hundreds of thousands of people was overwhelming before the tribunal gained access to Kosovo but the exhumations are aimed at finding evidence for the charges of mass murder. "Their benefit is to link forensic evidence to particular units of the police and army operating in particular parts of Kosovo. It wasn't a case of rogue units. The Serbian police state was fully involved," Mr Risley said. But officials will not say how many of the 2,788 bodies exhumed show clear signs of being victims of summary execution such as being shot in the head from close range. No Nato government has sought to produce a definitive total of murdered ethnic Albanian civilians since the Serb offensives began in March 1998, a year before the bombing. "No one is interested," complained a senior international official in Kosovo involved in helping victims' families. "Nato doesn't want to admit the damage wasn't as extensive as it said. Local Albanian politicians have the same motive. If you don't have the true figure, you can exploit the issue."
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posted on
03/13/2006 2:59:15 AM PST
by
Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks
Sounds like New Orleans after Katrina.
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posted on
03/13/2006 3:17:10 AM PST
by
SR 50
(Larry)
To: SR 50
Didn't they also predict that HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS Afghani's were going to starve or freeze to death just before we went into Afghanistan?
To: FormerLib; joan; A. Pole
You may be interested in this?
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posted on
03/13/2006 4:16:17 AM PST
by
MarMema
(Buy Danish, support freedom)
To: Fred Nerks
Serb killings 'exaggerated' by west Serb killings 'exaggerated' by west the Clinton Administration
There. That's better.
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posted on
03/13/2006 4:18:22 AM PST
by
Spiff
("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
To: Fred Nerks
"The point is did we successfully pre-empt or not,"
When was this ever a 'point'? Not until we discovered that the number of deaths by ethnic cleansing were deemed completely erroneous did this idiotic cover-our-ass point ever mentioned.
The ONLY pre-empt, which was the original reason for bombing Bosnia, was to keep the Senate from carrying forth impeachment sentencing and allowing Clinton's sorry ass to remain in the White House.
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posted on
03/13/2006 4:18:35 AM PST
by
moonman
To: Spiff
Clinton lied and people died.
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posted on
03/13/2006 4:19:08 AM PST
by
Spiff
("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
To: Spiff
Where were the lefty moonbats when Clinton was lying to rush us into a war? Where were they when NATO was intentionally bombing civilian targets? I often ask the lefties this when I encounter them, but they never have a satisfactory answer.
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posted on
03/13/2006 4:21:00 AM PST
by
Spiff
("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
To: moonman
The ONLY pre-empt, which was the original reason for bombing Bosnia, was to keep the Senate from carrying forth impeachment sentencing and allowing Clinton's sorry ass to remain in the White House. He wanted to FOIL the impeachment effort. No blood for foil!
I don't recall any lefties denouncing Clinton because his search for mass graves didn't turn up what he said it would.
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posted on
03/13/2006 4:22:59 AM PST
by
Spiff
("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
To: Fred Nerks
Well, that's not such a bad crime. We should let President Milosevic go free! DOH!
To: Fred Nerks
I wonder how many of the vaunted Albanians were member of the Marxist Islamic KLA.
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posted on
03/13/2006 4:30:44 AM PST
by
Reactionary
(The Moonbats Need an Enema)
To: wolfcreek
Killing 3,000 Islamic lunatics is no crime at all.
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posted on
03/13/2006 4:31:14 AM PST
by
Reactionary
(The Moonbats Need an Enema)
To: Reactionary
Killing 3,000 Islamic lunatics is no crime at all. But even these 3,000 include bodies of people who died from natural causes, who were not Muslims and who were killed by NATO bombings.
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posted on
03/13/2006 5:03:06 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(Alexander Solzhenitsyn: "Live Not By Lies")
To: zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; vooch; ...
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posted on
03/13/2006 7:24:21 AM PST
by
FormerLib
(Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
To: Fred Nerks
I'm listening to the liberal KPOJ radio station in Portland, Orygun. Today, they are claiming a million deaths in the Bosnian war. I've been sending e-mails to correct the number to around 100,000, but so far no news correction.
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posted on
03/13/2006 7:28:23 AM PST
by
Andy from Beaverton
(I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
To: Andy from Beaverton
"million deaths in the Bosnian war"
LOL!
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posted on
03/13/2006 7:38:13 AM PST
by
montyspython
(Love that chicken from Popeye's)
To: montyspython
It's actually sad... The other day C. Amanpour phoned in to a CNN report on Miloshevich. I thought I was going to explode with rage. In 2-3 minutes, she managed to unload an ubelievable amount of verbal excrement. Of course, the Serbs were guilty of "hundreds of thousands (!) of deaths in Bosnia," and "millions (!) of refugees in Bosnia."
Nobody questions these ridiculous statements! Nobody! I believe that people should be free to speak their mind, but she -- and countless others -- should be held accountable for their lies. Her claims are pure fiction. Somebody should charge her and bring her to justice.
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posted on
03/13/2006 9:16:44 AM PST
by
Banat
(DEO • REGI • PATRIÆ)
To: Banat
Amanpour has no credibility, most people know that.
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posted on
03/13/2006 9:29:12 AM PST
by
montyspython
(Love that chicken from Popeye's)
To: Andy from Beaverton
I've been sending e-mails to correct the number to around 100,000, but so far no news correction. 100,000 is way too high. The largest atrocity was the massacre and expulsion of Krajina Serbs but even with NATO planes strafing the refugee columns the number of dead was much smaller.
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posted on
03/13/2006 10:23:22 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(M. Boskin: "It doesn't make any difference whether a country makes potato chips or computer chips!")
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