Bush says outsourcing benefits U.S. in long run-India's growing middle class seen as a key market

Chron.com ^ | 3-5-06 | JULIE MASON

[1rudeboy]

Thank you for your unsupported opinion. [flush]

[Willie Green]

He's done some good things, one of which is arguably the most important, the USSC justices.

His litmus test was to nominate non-controversial "stealth" candidates who will subordinate our Constitutional sovereignty to international trade treaties.

[Fruitbat]

...as well, there was almost a huge hiccup in the USSC thing with Miers.

[vrwc0915]

Might we inquire as to what industry you are in :)

[hedgetrimmer]

the USSC justices

Temper your enthusiasm, those justices don't have a track record on the Supreme Court yet.

[Fruitbat]

Ya lost me. You think that Roberts and Alito will "subordinate our Constitutional sovereignty to international trade treaties?"

[1rudeboy]

Hand-in-hand with John Bolton. [wink]

[hedgetrimmer]

"subordinate our Constitutional sovereignty to international trade treaties?"

Nearly everyone in the Bush Administration has.

[Tim n Texas]

Competition for jobs, IT jobs in particular, with India will equalize over time.... At work, we're already rethinking out IT off-shoring policies, as the cost of maintaining good developers in Bangalore heats up.

We're continually losing our good developers to completing India IT firms who are offering better wages. Replacement programmers just aren't as good or experienced. They have to be retrained, and end up causing costly project delays. Add the overhear associated with managing a development team that's half a world away, and they quickly lose their cost advantage...

We're gonna move some of our IT development back home. I wonder there are any American kids still willing to take up this trade.

[Fruitbat]

Temper your enthusiasm, those justices don't have a track record on the Supreme Court yet.

Agreed. But ya have to admit, they're worlds above what we'd have gotten, presumably in a hasteful pre-assessment, with Kerry/Edwards or even Bush 41.

[vrwc0915]

[babygene]

" You have to MAKE stuff to create wealth"

You wrote almost exactly what I was going to write... Wow.

[GrandEagle]

No. 1 chipmaker Intel ....
Now that is some good news. I'm not familiar with that industry.

Cordially,
GE

[Fruitbat]

I've not seen these better paying services jobs. I have however seen several of my peers remain unemployed for 4-5 years then finally landing a job for 45% or their previous salary.

In addition, what you will need to remember, is you can not defend a nation using services. We would have lost WWII without manufacturing.

Come on though, I've worked in the service sector all my life for the most part, and I've seen jobs be born that we'd never have had w/o advances in technology. Many of these people do make a lot of money.

As well, at last check, we still manufacture our own military hardware.

[Fruitbat]

What does that have to do with the justices? Did they in some way.

[1rudeboy]

I learn a lot on these types of threads. Somebody complains we don't make chips anymore, and I Google "us+chip+plant," or similar and post what comes up. It's not that complicated.

[babygene]

Dont get excited to quickly:

Four of Intel's five global assembly and test facilities are located in Asia -- in Cavite, south of the Philippine capital Manila; in Penang island and Kulim province in northwestern Peninsular Malaysia; and in Shanghai, China's largest city.

The fifth centre is in Costa Rica.

[Willie Green]

Yes.

[babygene]

Like I said, "wrong again, as usual"

[Fruitbat]

You have to MAKE stuff to create wealth. If you are providing a service, you're just shifting money around. If America cannot protect a climate and system that allows people to create their own wealth,protecting the right of Americans to operate under their own free will, then it has fallen far from the purpose of the American Revolution.

I'm no expert in this, but it seems as if we do manufacture many things such as computers, which weren't around to manufacture 20 years ago, at least not in the quantities that they are today. Chips, other computer components, just for one.

Is it not possible that while we've "lost manufacturing jobs," that others have not been created? What's the net loss as a percentage of the total amounts manufactured throughout the 20th century? Clearly there was going to be a loss at some point historically, b/c we began the industrial revolution here in this country. It was only a matter of time before other nations came up to speed.

Not arguing, ...trying to educate myself based on some things that I consider, at present, to be common sense. As well, if the service jobs are there as a result of things that are manufactured, and many are, then doesn't that "link" manufacturing sector and sevice sector jobs in many ways?

Also, it seems to me that the manufacturing jobs that we are moving out, are those that are really simple "turn, tap, zap" kinda jobs. Appliances, toys, housewares, and other consumer goods, etc., that IMO likely weren't highly paid jobs anyway and if they were, perhaps that was part of the problem having unskilled people being overpaid thus pushing them out. We still have a huge airline manufacturing industry both commercial and military, a lot of auto manufacturing in this country, even if "foreign" autos, the work is still performed by Americans, and a lot of technological classes too.