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Bush ALWAYS had liberation of Iraq as a reason for war
whitehouse.gov ^ | March 16, 2003 | n/a

Posted on 03/02/2006 7:47:51 PM PST by KJC1

For Immediate Release March 16, 2003

Statement of the Atlantic Summit: A Vision for Iraq and the Iraqi People

Iraq's talented people, rich culture, and tremendous potential have been hijacked by Saddam Hussein. His brutal regime has reduced a country with a long and proud history to an international pariah that oppresses its citizens, started two wars of aggression against its neighbors, and still poses a grave threat to the security of its region and the world.

Saddam's defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions demanding the disarmament of his nuclear, chemical, biological, and long-range missile capacity has led to sanctions on Iraq and has undermined the authority of the U.N. For 12 years, the international community has tried to persuade him to disarm and thereby avoid military conflict, most recently through the unanimous adoption of UNSCR 1441. The responsibility is his. If Saddam refuses even now to cooperate fully with the United Nations, he brings on himself the serious consequences foreseen in UNSCR 1441 and previous resolutions.

In these circumstances, we would undertake a solemn obligation to help the Iraqi people build a new Iraq at peace with itself and its neighbors. The Iraqi people deserve to be lifted from insecurity and tyranny, and freed to determine for themselves the future of their country. We envisage a unified Iraq with its territorial integrity respected. All the Iraqi people -- its rich mix of Sunni and Shiite Arabs, Kurds, Turkomen, Assyrians, Chaldeans, and all others -- should enjoy freedom, prosperity, and equality in a united country. We will support the Iraqi people's aspirations for a representative government that upholds human rights and the rule of law as cornerstones of democracy.

We will work to prevent and repair damage by Saddam Hussein's regime to the natural resources of Iraq and pledge to protect them as a national asset of and for the Iraqi people. All Iraqis should share the wealth generated by their national economy. We will seek a swift end to international sanctions, and support an international reconstruction program to help Iraq achieve real prosperity and reintegrate into the global community.

We will fight terrorism in all its forms. Iraq must never again be a haven for terrorists of any kind.

In achieving this vision, we plan to work in close partnership with international institutions, including the United Nations; our Allies and partners; and bilateral donors. If conflict occurs, we plan to seek the adoption, on an urgent basis, of new United Nations Security Council resolutions that would affirm Iraq's territorial integrity, ensure rapid delivery of humanitarian relief, and endorse an appropriate post-conflict administration for Iraq. We will also propose that the Secretary General be given authority, on an interim basis, to ensure that the humanitarian needs of the Iraqi people continue to be met through the Oil for Food program.

Any military presence, should it be necessary, will be temporary and intended to promote security and elimination of weapons of mass destruction; the delivery of humanitarian aid; and the conditions for the reconstruction of Iraq. Our commitment to support the people of Iraq will be for the long term.

We call upon the international community to join with us in helping to realize a better future for the Iraqi people.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; iraqifreedom; liberators
This is not breaking news, but the libs have tried so hard to re-write history and accuse President Bush of "making up reasons as he went along" as far as reasons for war in Iraq. Click on my FR homepage for more links; it's still a work in progress and any additions are highly welcome.

I saw Charles Krauthammer, who I respect a lot, the other night on Fox let this "meme" slide and it seemed like even he forgot that President Bush has ALWAYS had the liberation of Iraq as a reason for war. I just don't want this fact of history to get muffled and squelched out and successfully sucked down the memory hole. Note to Admins: If this post is in the wrong place, please move and I apologize for any inconvenience.

1 posted on 03/02/2006 7:47:52 PM PST by KJC1
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To: KJC1

Yep there were like 5 reasons for the war in Iraq. Anothere was the failure of the UN resolutions. The MSM only wants to focus on one and that being the WMD. Looks like they are being proven wrong on that one too.


2 posted on 03/02/2006 7:52:21 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: KJC1
PresBush and his administration gave many reasons for invading Iraq. Examples: Saddam thumbing his nose at endless UN resolutions; oppression of the Iraqi people; removing a haven for terrorists. However, the issue of Saddam's WMD was the central argument that Bush made for ordering an invasion of Iraq. As it turned out, WMD were found in Iraq following the invasion. Just not in the quantities that were anticipated. Human Events magazine recently gave this account of WMD found in Iraq.

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

If anyone believes that Saddam's WMD wasn't the central issue to the US invading Iraq, one only needs to read the speeches that PresBush gave in the months, weeks and days leading up to the invasion of Iraq. The President was focused and on message. Bush made it crystal clear, disarming Saddam of his WMD was the central reason for invading Iraq.

"In cells and camps, terrorists are plotting further destruction, and building new bases for their war against civilization. And our greatest fear is that terrorists will find a shortcut to their mad ambitions when an outlaw regime supplies them with the technologies to kill on a massive scale. In one place -- in one regime -- we find all these dangers, in their most lethal and aggressive forms, exactly the kind of aggressive threat the United Nations was born to confront.

"... Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger.

"... Saddam Hussein has defied all these efforts and continues to develop weapons of mass destruction."

--- PresBush 9.12.2002, UN Speech

"Our mission is clear in Iraq. Should we have to go in, our mission is very clear: disarmament."

--- PresBush, 3.6.2003

"The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of free nations. He is a danger to his neighbors. He's a sponsor of terrorism. He's an obstacle to progress in the Middle East. For decades he has been the cruel, cruel oppressor of the Iraq people."

--- PresBush 3.16.2003, Azores Portugal

"My fellow citizens, events in Iraq have now reached the final days of decision. For more than a decade, the United States and other nations have pursued patient and honorable efforts to disarm the Iraqi regime without war. That regime pledged to reveal and destroy all its weapons of mass destruction as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War in 1991."

"The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or any other."

--- PresBush 3.17.2003, Address to the Nation

"My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger."

--- PresBush 3.19.2003, Address to the Nation

3 posted on 03/02/2006 7:56:48 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: KJC1
It doesn't matter to the left, they are miserable creatures that don't believe freedom is worth fighting for.
Nothing is worse than war, better to let men live in bondage and tyranny than to fight for something as worthless as freedom.
Yet better men than they will give their lives so those that don't deserve it can sit in safety and comfort from afar and denigrate that for which they fight.
4 posted on 03/02/2006 8:01:04 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances – and it advances relentlessly – freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: KJC1

The Iraq Liberation Act
October 31, 1998

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT

THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release

October 31, 1998

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT

Today I am signing into law H.R. 4655, the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998." This Act makes clear that it is the sense of the Congress that the United States should support those elements of the Iraqi opposition that advocate a very different future for Iraq than the bitter reality of internal repression and external aggression that the current regime in Baghdad now offers.

Let me be clear on what the U.S. objectives are: The United States wants Iraq to rejoin the family of nations as a freedom-loving and law-abiding member. This is in our interest and that of our allies within the region.

The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life.

My Administration has pursued, and will continue to pursue, these objectives through active application of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions. The evidence is overwhelming that such changes will not happen under the current Iraq leadership.

In the meantime, while the United States continues to look to the Security Council's efforts to keep the current regime's behavior in check, we look forward to new leadership in Iraq that has the support of the Iraqi people. The United States is providing support to opposition groups from all sectors of the Iraqi community that could lead to a popularly supported government.

On October 21, 1998, I signed into law the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1999, which made $8 million available for assistance to the Iraqi democratic opposition. This assistance is intended to help the democratic opposition unify, work together more effectively, and articulate the aspirations of the Iraqi people for a pluralistic, participa--tory political system that will include all of Iraq's diverse ethnic and religious groups. As required by the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for FY 1998 (Public Law 105-174), the Department of State submitted a report to the Congress on plans to establish a program to support the democratic opposition. My Administration, as required by that statute, has also begun to implement a program to compile information regarding allegations of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes by Iraq's current leaders as a step towards bringing to justice those directly responsible for such acts.

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 provides additional, discretionary authorities under which my Administration can act to further the objectives I outlined above. There are, of course, other important elements of U.S. policy. These include the maintenance of U.N. Security Council support efforts to eliminate Iraq's weapons and missile programs and economic sanctions that continue to deny the regime the means to reconstitute those threats to international peace and security. United States support for the Iraqi opposition will be carried out consistent with those policy objectives as well. Similarly, U.S. support must be attuned to what the opposition can effectively make use of as it develops over time. With those observations, I sign H.R. 4655 into law.

WILLIAM J. CLINTON

THE WHITE HOUSE,

October 31, 1998.


5 posted on 03/02/2006 8:03:20 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: KJC1

Good post. And good follow up. Hopefully at least some historians shall force themselves to be not only thorough but un-biased, and GWB shall in time be vindicated. So many top officials seem to have sieves for minds. They are not anywhere as sharp as many would hope for them to be. Many of our more conservative writers also slip. Sometimes to cover all aspects of the reasons we went in, are beyond the scope of the masses to bear, let alone the minds that we hope can deliver on a pin head, the whole list is such plain terms to elucidate the whole as being vindicated. We just have to live with these failures on many of our parts, and look forward. If in the end, GWB is not shown to have acted out of this countries best interests, then so be it. But it sure looks to me all the reasons we went in are when taking in whole adequate. To many view things in tunnel vision. One must look at the whole to find rest.


6 posted on 03/02/2006 8:03:30 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: KJC1
Dubya had to go back to Iraq because Papa Bush let Saddam off the hook.
It's all about the oil.
7 posted on 03/02/2006 8:05:25 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: KJC1

I'd like to see this rewritten, with the subject being the liberation of the people of Iran.

That's the next step.


8 posted on 03/02/2006 8:05:44 PM PST by i_dont_chat (I defend the right to offend!)
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To: KJC1

I'd like to see this rewritten, with the subject being the liberation of the people of Iran.

That's the next step.


9 posted on 03/02/2006 8:05:48 PM PST by i_dont_chat (I defend the right to offend!)
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To: Willie Green

Ouch!


10 posted on 03/02/2006 8:06:06 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: All

The reasons have always been multiple.

What prompted me to post this was seeing even Charles Krauthammer act like liberating Iraqis wasn't an issue until after the fact. I'm sure I'm not the only one who saw that panel discussion.

The good news is that the left can't re-write history. The bad news is that they are damn good, manipulative liars, so much so that they have erased/confused the memories of otherwise intelligent people.


11 posted on 03/02/2006 8:06:49 PM PST by KJC1 (Getting the facts before flipping out is generally a sound idea)
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To: Willie Green

Welcome to teh suck


12 posted on 03/02/2006 8:09:58 PM PST by Hazzardgate
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To: KJC1

I agree that even without WMD's there was plenty of justification for going to war with Iraq. I also understand we can't just decimate Iraq and then leave it to its own devices, but I'm not quite as compasionate as GWB. I'm not sure I agree the Iraqi's are worth saving. No matter what we do for the Iraqi's, when all is said and done, we will still be infidels.

Were it up to me, I probably would have decimated them and left them the message that we'd be back if they reformed into a nation hostile to us and its neighbors.

I don't want to repeat this in Iran if we are forced to do something with them.


13 posted on 03/02/2006 8:17:38 PM PST by umgud (gitrdun)
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To: KJC1
Liberals don't deal in facts, their motto "repeat a lie long enough..."
BTW did you know the UAE will be buying our ports and running our security? /sarcasm
14 posted on 03/02/2006 8:26:46 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: umgud

Neither the Iraqis nor the Iranians should be "decimated." Lots of people are born into those regimes who spend their lives trying to get away, and some are lucky and some are not. It is a FORCED living condition. One of my best friends is from Iran, and is a Bush supporter.

The bottom line is the reasons were/are multiple, and NO ONE should allow misinformed or intentionally deceptive people to get away with spreading falsehoods. That was the point of me posting this. This "lie" that President Bush made up reasons after the fact has far too much traction.


15 posted on 03/02/2006 8:35:09 PM PST by KJC1 (Getting the facts before flipping out is generally a sound idea)
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To: Parley Baer
All of the facts that have dribbled forth regarding the removal and secreting of WMDs have been ignored as if they never existed by the MSM, the Demonrats, and the Left, world wide. The alleged lack of WMDs were and are deemed all-important by Bush bashers, but mounting evidence that they did indeed exist on the eve of the war is irrelevant to critics whose "Bush lied" mantra remains in full cry.
16 posted on 03/02/2006 8:40:18 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: KJC1

I don't suggest decimating people for the sake of decimating people. I'm not however, too keen on occupying a people who are hostile to us just to liberate them. We can't save the world, but we can and should remove or respond to threats.


17 posted on 03/02/2006 8:42:17 PM PST by umgud (gitrdun)
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To: umgud
>>>>I agree that even without WMD's there was plenty of justification for going to war with Iraq.

Not on your life. The central reason and the overriding factor for invading Iraq, was based on Saddam's WMD capability and his WMD programs. I'd place that valid reasoning factor at 51%, or better. Without that legitimate threat of Saddam employing his WMD in some manner, the Congress and the American people would never have supported the invasion of Iraq.

There were a lot of "Whereas" points mentioned in the Joint Resolution to go to war, but the following were the two reasons given in the that joint resolution for going to war with Iraq.

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.

A link to the official "whereas" list and Joint Resolution.

18 posted on 03/02/2006 8:56:12 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man
1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.

There were MANY reasons, but you know that. Iraq WAS a threat, not because we expected them to launch but because the concern was that Iraq would pass off weapons to terrorist organizations (which were harbored there and PAID too). If you want quotes, I can find them pretty quick.

And number two, why bother to enforce UN resolutions? We see how well that works. Iran is thumbing their nose now too.

So what is YOUR solution, if YOU ruled the world? No critiques allowed, only SOLUTIONS.

19 posted on 03/02/2006 9:14:14 PM PST by KJC1 (Getting the facts before flipping out is generally a sound idea)
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To: KJC1
This is not breaking news, but the libs have tried so hard to re-write history...

You might even say that the Bush administration did nothing more, nor less, than implement approved Clinton administration policy.

See "Iraq Liberation Act", c. 1998.

20 posted on 03/02/2006 9:23:30 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
See "Iraq Liberation Act", c. 1998.

Right on the nose. Clinton talked, Bush walked.

21 posted on 03/02/2006 9:25:54 PM PST by KJC1 (Getting the facts before flipping out is generally a sound idea)
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To: i_dont_chat

We have neither the ability nor the obligation to "liberate" the world.

There's a lot we can do to help people liberate themselves, but we can't invade every nation that needs liberating.


22 posted on 03/02/2006 9:28:39 PM PST by Bubbatuck
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To: Reagan Man

Don't forget the map! Iraq is the nexus of the Middle East.

Iran is hemmed in. So is Saudi Arabi and Syria and Turkey (our good friends).

Iraq is the hub of the Muslim Wheel!

If I were President, Syria would be ruins....oh, sorry, they already are...and Turkey, oh sorry again...Iran...oops...

Enough playing around. Pull the troops back or allow them to engage and destroy. That is all the Arabs and Iranians and Turks understand! Death, destruction, slaughter! Let their past be their present!


23 posted on 03/02/2006 9:33:34 PM PST by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: Bubbatuck
We have neither the ability nor the obligation to "liberate" the world. There's a lot we can do to help people liberate themselves, but we can't invade every nation that needs liberating.

So why bother trying, right? Especially why bother creating democracies where theocracies can fester, unchecked.

Nah, the only "obligation" you have is to blame Bush if/when we are hit again. If President Bush had ignored the growing threat, the howls would have been far and wide, and justifiably so. Spend some time looking into the Oil for Food scandal, if you haven't already.

24 posted on 03/02/2006 9:49:15 PM PST by KJC1 (Getting the facts before flipping out is generally a sound idea)
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To: KJC1

Didn't you read what I said?

I said the US can do a lot to help people liberate themselves, but we can't invade every nation that needs liberating. What part of that do you disagree with?


25 posted on 03/02/2006 9:50:11 PM PST by Bubbatuck
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To: KJC1
Look. I gave you the link to the White House website where they post the full details of the Joint Congressional Resolution that gave PresBush the legal right to take America to war in Iraq. My post at #3 of this thread, outlines the key parts of the main speaches that PresBush gave leading up to the actual start of the war in Iraq. Bush is quite clear. WMD was the central reason for invading Iraq. "Without that legitimate threat of Saddam employing his WMD in some manner, the Congress and the American people would never have supported the invasion of Iraq." Period.

I didn't see Charles Krauthammer's remarks. But if Krauthammer said, he doesn't remember the word "liberation" being used as a reason for the invasion, I'm not going to disagree with him. I too have no memory of that word being used prior to the original invasion. Not that it wasn't used and I'm not saying that freeing the Iraqi people wasn't another good reason for invading Iraq. It just doesn't ring a bell right now.

I agree with you about the Democrats trying to twist historic fact on this issue. No reason to do that. The historic facts are part of the official record and can't changed or altered by anyone.

26 posted on 03/02/2006 9:58:27 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: KJC1

Good post & reference bump! ;-)


27 posted on 03/02/2006 10:07:25 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Reagan Man

Thanks for the list. I'm going to copy it when I can get to a computer with a USB port.

What's the source?


28 posted on 03/02/2006 10:08:08 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: KJC1

You mean the "F" in O.I.F doesn't stand for "Find-the-weapons??????


29 posted on 03/02/2006 10:11:43 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
WMDs Found in Iraq Posted Nov 09, 2005
30 posted on 03/02/2006 10:12:49 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man
didn't see Charles Krauthammer's remarks. But if Krauthammer said, he doesn't remember the word "liberation" being used as a reason for the invasion, I'm not going to disagree with him. I too have no memory of that word being used prior to the original invasion. Not that it wasn't used and I'm not saying that freeing the Iraqi people wasn't another good reason for invading Iraq. It just doesn't ring a bell right now.

First of all, thank you for engaging in an intelligent discussion. Somehow you citing his bad memory despite direct evidence at the time is not reassuring.

31 posted on 03/02/2006 10:16:10 PM PST by KJC1 (Getting the facts before flipping out is generally a sound idea)
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To: KJC1
>>>Somehow you citing his bad memory despite direct evidence at the time is not reassuring.

What do you want me to say? You want me to lie about my memory? LOL The word "liberation" wasn't in the pre-invasion lexicon. I can remember watching on TV, the advance of our fighting men&women in the armored divisions marching across the sands towards Baghdad. That is where I first remember hearing the word "liberation" being used. I thought it was somewhat inappropriate. Since the textboook definition of the word "liberation" is, "to free (as a country) from domination by a foreign power, I didn't think it was a totally correct use that specific word. And I never thought I'd be arguing about it today with anyone.

Suffice it to say, the US military freed the Iraqi people. Now, lets keep our military bases active in Afghanistan and Iraq, and lets kill as many jihadists and islamofascists as we can, before they kill us. However, the idea of nation building and spreading democracy to the entire Islamic world, is something no POTUS could do in 300 years, let alone the three years Bush has left in his term.

32 posted on 03/02/2006 10:27:28 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man
What do you want me to say? You want me to lie about my memory? LOL The word "liberation" wasn't in the pre-invasion lexicon. I can remember watching on TV, the advance of our fighting men&women in the armored divisions marching across the sands towards Baghdad.

You are a prime example of why I created my homepage. Get back to me on that matter, lol.

33 posted on 03/02/2006 10:32:04 PM PST by KJC1 (Getting the facts before flipping out is generally a sound idea)
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To: KJC1
>>>You are a prime example of why I created my homepage. Get back to me on that matter, lol.

And you're a prime example of semantics gone wild. I read your FReeper Homepage. In all, Bush mentions the word "liberated" twice in everything you posted. If you want to say that is consistent with a general pre-invasion lexicon, I'll disagree with you. And if my last paragraph says anything it says we freed the Iraqi people from the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein. In hindsight call it liberation, if you like.

More importantly, nation building is not in the cards and spreading democracy throughout the Islamic world is out of the question. If you think those are worthy objectives at this point, you're being unreasonable. Keep our military bases active and kill as many jihadists and islamofascists as we can. That is a reasonable goal.

34 posted on 03/02/2006 10:52:55 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Bubbatuck
There's a lot we can do to help people liberate themselves, but we can't invade every nation that needs liberating.

Of course, you are correct.

We should invade and liberate those countries where their leaders are aiding, financing, and training terrorists who attack the United States.

There, that's better.
35 posted on 03/03/2006 6:44:02 AM PST by i_dont_chat (I defend the right to offend!)
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To: Willie Green

{YAWN}


36 posted on 03/03/2006 6:46:51 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: KJC1

Agreed.....he always had the nutty idea that bringing democracy to the Middle East (shades of Clinton in Kosovo) was worth American blood and treasure. Now, given the Hamasistan experience, I wouldn't want to think he'd advertise it!


37 posted on 03/03/2006 6:54:47 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Allegra

"That the wars of the world have swollen our commerce beyond the wholesome limits of exchanging our own productions for our own wants and that, for the emolument of a small proportion of our society who prefer these demoralizing pursuits to labors useful to the whole, the peace of the whole is endangered... are evils more easily to be deplored than remedied."

--Thomas Jefferson to Abbe Salimankis, 1810.

"Had we carried but our own produce and brought back but our own wants, no nation would have troubled us. Our commercial dashers, then, have already cost us so many thousand lives, so many millions of dollars, more than their persons and all their commerce were worth... "

--Thomas Jefferson to William H. Crawford, 1816. ME 15:30


38 posted on 03/03/2006 8:16:52 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Reagan Man
And you're a prime example of semantics gone wild. I read your FReeper Homepage. In all, Bush mentions the word "liberated" twice in everything you posted. If you want to say that is consistent with a general pre-invasion lexicon, I'll disagree with you. And if my last paragraph says anything it says we freed the Iraqi people from the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein. In hindsight call it liberation, if you like.

Speaking of semantics gone wild, you are nit-picking. Speaking of creating a "free Iraq" is the same as liberation, but you know that.

No where have I maintained that liberation was the reason, just a reason, and that is an accurate statement so you can pick away all you like but you can't change the truthfulness of the statement.

39 posted on 03/03/2006 8:42:49 AM PST by KJC1 (Getting the facts before flipping out is generally a sound idea)
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To: KJC1
Maybe where just talking past each other. I think where in the same book, just on a different page.

WMD were the central issue for invading Iraq and the main thrust of Bush&Company's public relations effort pre-invasion. You cite "liberation" as another reason for invading Iraq. Semantics aside. You want to make sure people don't forget that freeing the Iraqi people was one of many other issues mentioned in the Bush overall public relations effort. Okay.

Still, there is one important consideration. If you take the WMD issue out of the equation, there would have been no invasion of Iraq by US military forces. Period.

40 posted on 03/03/2006 9:06:29 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man

Of course WMD was a big reason. The fact that Iraq harbored terrorists was another big reason---the reasons were always multiple. I think you are correct that we are just having a communication problem.

My intention in posting this was NOT to say WMD wasn't a reason, rather it was to address the lie that President Bush made up liberation after the fact.


41 posted on 03/03/2006 9:19:45 AM PST by KJC1 (Getting the facts before flipping out is generally a sound idea)
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To: KJC1
>>>>I think you are correct that we are just having a communication problem.

I agree. From the first part of your last post, we still are.

>>>>... the reasons were always multiple. LOL

Multiple reasons were part of the overall message, but the main thrust of the Bush message was the WMD issue. Without Saddam's WMD capability/programs, the Congress would never have given authoriztion for the invasion of Iraq and the American people wouldn't have gone along with it either. I have always defended PresBush, his WMD reasoning and the actual existence of WMD in Iraq even after the inavsion. That's what prompted my response at #3.

I agree with your last paragraph.

42 posted on 03/03/2006 9:45:39 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man

It sounds like we are in agreement.

I have always supported President Bush on all of the reasons, including WMD, and still do.

I think what happened here is that you interpreted my post as backing away from WMD and trying to thrust liberation into the spotlight. Again, my post was narrow in scope for one reason only: to highlight the lie that liberating Iraq was a post-war idea.


43 posted on 03/03/2006 9:54:04 AM PST by KJC1 (Getting the facts before flipping out is generally a sound idea)
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To: KJC1
Gotcha, FRiend.

Have a good day.

44 posted on 03/03/2006 10:11:24 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man
Have a good day.

Dittos. :^)

45 posted on 03/03/2006 10:22:45 AM PST by KJC1 (Getting the facts before flipping out is generally a sound idea)
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