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Andrea Yates rejects 35-year plea deal
CNN via AP ^ | 2/27/06 | AP

Posted on 02/27/2006 12:12:47 PM PST by dmz

HOUSTON, Texas (AP) -- A woman accused of drowning her children has rejected a plea offer that would have sent her to prison for 35 years and is expected to face a retrial in March, her attorney said Monday.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: andreayates; crime; criminality; drown; drowning; fivechildren; massmurderess; murder; violence; yates
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Didn't see this posted yet. She is crazy if she rejects this deal.
1 posted on 02/27/2006 12:12:48 PM PST by dmz
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To: dmz

WOrks for me... Now sentence her to the death she deserves.


2 posted on 02/27/2006 12:13:36 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: dmz

Why should she? She’ll get off. A vagina is a get-out-of-jail-free card.


3 posted on 02/27/2006 12:14:39 PM PST by ElTianti
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To: ElTianti
A vagina is a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Yep, and my wife never leaves home without it.

4 posted on 02/27/2006 12:16:09 PM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: commish

Agreed.


5 posted on 02/27/2006 12:17:32 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: dmz


This woman should have been sitting on death row years ago...either that, or put to death, years ago...I don't have any sympathy for people like this.


6 posted on 02/27/2006 12:17:59 PM PST by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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To: ElTianti

Where can I find one?


7 posted on 02/27/2006 12:17:59 PM PST by Rebelbase (President Bush is a Texas jackass when it comes to Border security .)
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To: dmz; sure_fine

Execute her.


8 posted on 02/27/2006 12:18:10 PM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (Borders, Language, Culture™)
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To: dmz

"She is crazy if she rejects this deal."

Ya think?!


9 posted on 02/27/2006 12:19:32 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Blue Jays
Hi All-

She has a deal of thirty-five years in exchange for murdering five innocent little kids? That psychopath should JUMP on that deal since it's only seven years per corpse. Hopefully she bites the dust long before she is eligible to get out of prison. My preference would have been that she receive the lethal injection.

If I sound heartless it is because I don't feel any particular mercy towards her. She is a violent, heartless, and dangerous criminal.

~ Blue Jays ~

10 posted on 02/27/2006 12:19:57 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Rebelbase

Where can I find one?

Some are born with one, the rest have to rent it. Be warned, they ain't cheap.


11 posted on 02/27/2006 12:20:52 PM PST by ElTianti
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To: ElTianti

I think you should lay off the Irish whiskey and start drinking something more fitting ... bitters might work.

Just kidding - a fellow marylander I see.


12 posted on 02/27/2006 12:25:14 PM PST by dmz
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To: dmz
She'd better talk to Robert Angleton.

Double-Jepordy is a myth.

13 posted on 02/27/2006 12:26:14 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Blue Jays

What about her husband? I have more disgust for him. She is nuts, for sure, but he knew she was nuts and did nothing to help her. She home schooled that bunch and they lived for years in a converted bus while renting out their house. He went to work, church and to the gym while she stayed home with the kids 24/7. The life he forced her to live would drive anyone crazy. He needs to be punished too.


14 posted on 02/27/2006 12:26:45 PM PST by Ditter
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To: dmz

Can they sentence her to death if convicted in a retrial???


15 posted on 02/27/2006 12:27:01 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
"She is crazy if she rejects this deal." Ya think?!

Joseph Heller would appreciate this.

16 posted on 02/27/2006 12:28:00 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Ditter

Agree. He's a pig and just as responsible for the murder of his children. Also, any family members that knew what was going on and didn't try to get those kids out of there.


17 posted on 02/27/2006 12:29:30 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Ditter

wow. more disgust for him than the one who rounded her kids one by one and drowned them. he's no peach, but try to maintain perspective.

very few of us would think our spouses capable of such an act.


18 posted on 02/27/2006 12:31:02 PM PST by dmz
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To: dmz

Especially if she was really coaching a fellow inmate on how to act crazy..


19 posted on 02/27/2006 12:35:24 PM PST by pnz1
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To: Ditter

He didn't force her to live that life. She chose to. She could have left in the middle of the night and the children would still be alive.


20 posted on 02/27/2006 12:36:11 PM PST by CaptainK
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To: theDentist
Can they sentence her to death if convicted in a retrial???

They can't apply the death penalty in the re-trial, becuase they didn't ask for it in the original trial.

That being said, they only charged her with two of the murders in the first trial. They could still charge her with the other murders and ask for the death penalty in those cases without incurring a problem with double-jeopardy.

21 posted on 02/27/2006 12:37:42 PM PST by CA Conservative
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To: dmz

He knew she was capable. Read her history.


22 posted on 02/27/2006 12:37:55 PM PST by bonfire
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To: dmz

Evil woman deserves to go to the gallows. Hell can't wait for her.


23 posted on 02/27/2006 12:38:20 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: dmz

Can she still get the death penalty or is that off the table?


24 posted on 02/27/2006 12:45:57 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Ditter
Hi Ditter-

I'm inclined to believe that if pressure was that great, she could have packed her bags and taken a taxi to the nearest Greyhound terminal and hopped a bus to anywhere in the country. Her husband won't win any parenting awards, but he didn't hold those poor kids underwater in the bathtub until they turned blue.

~ Blue Jays ~

25 posted on 02/27/2006 12:46:06 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: beaversmom; theDentist

Can she still get the death penalty or is that off the table?

__________

Unfortunately the limited info available at this time doesn't say.


26 posted on 02/27/2006 12:49:23 PM PST by dmz
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To: CA Conservative
That being said, they only charged her with two of the murders in the first trial. They could still charge her with the other murders and ask for the death penalty in those cases without incurring a problem with double-jeopardy.

Which is why they only charged her with the 2 murders originally. They have kept the other 3 in the back pocket for just this contingency.

I doubt they will go for Death on those 3, but I can garauntee that she will have the book thrown at her if she passes up this plea deal -- she will never see the light of day for the rest of her life.

27 posted on 02/27/2006 12:50:40 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: dmz
I think the only time she had an outing was to go to her psychiatrist office or maybe he made house calls. She was on heavy meds and had been in a mental hospital and he still continued to impregnate her year after year and leave her alone with his children.He is a monster also, and I heard on the news that he said he wanted to marry again and have another family. The nerve of him.
28 posted on 02/27/2006 12:51:10 PM PST by Ditter
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To: dmz
She is crazy if she rejects this deal.

Under our justice system, if she really is crazy, she doesn't need the plea deal. So by rejecting it she proves she's crazy and goes off to an asylum.... QED.

29 posted on 02/27/2006 12:51:34 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Ditter

I think I'll still hold the person who actually drowned the children to a much greater degree of responsibility.


30 posted on 02/27/2006 12:53:30 PM PST by dmz
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To: dmz

I wonder if she is available as a nanny. She seems so good at controlling children.


31 posted on 02/27/2006 12:54:38 PM PST by AmusedBystander
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To: Ditter


No one is "forced" to do anything they don't want to, this woman could have run away under cover of nite, those kids would still be with us. I don't have any sympathy for her.


32 posted on 02/27/2006 12:55:07 PM PST by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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To: bonfire; Ditter
That way lies madness. Family members may indeed be accessories in a sense, but to wish for an official way to hold them accountable would have the consequence of creating horrific strife, litigation, and interference-in-the-name-of-liability among all families. In other words, if you think your in-laws are nosy now, wait until something like what you seem to advocate becomes the norm.

No, Yates is the one rightly held accountable.

33 posted on 02/27/2006 12:57:35 PM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: CaptainK

At some point she could have left but after she descended into madness he had years (2 babies later) to recognize her condition. He needs to be figured in the blame along with her. If anyone was ever insane it is her. She needs to be locked up in an insane asylum until the day she dies. He on the other hand will (or has) remarry and start over again.


34 posted on 02/27/2006 12:58:48 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter
So the meds sapped her of the strength that it would have taken to call a cab, but left her with enough to drown five children?
35 posted on 02/27/2006 12:59:31 PM PST by CaptainK
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To: dmz

"She is crazy if she rejects this deal."

Can they use that as part of an insanity defense?


36 posted on 02/27/2006 1:04:27 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: CaptainK

Call a cab, that's the ticket! If crazy people were thinking straight they wouldn't be crazy would they?


37 posted on 02/27/2006 1:05:39 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Finny

Trust me on this: when I have grandchildren, if I think they are in ANY danger I WILL do whatever it takes to get them to safety. At least one of the grandma's knew as they were supposed to be supervising her the day of the murders. And this wasn't a case of no one being aware of Andrea's "illness". They ALL knew.

Would you trust your grandchildren to a woman that had been in and out of the psychiatric hospital because voices told her to hurt her children?


38 posted on 02/27/2006 1:07:57 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Ditter

Agreed. If there was any justice, Rusty would be in prison right along with her. What a callous disregard for her well-being and that of the children.


39 posted on 02/27/2006 1:08:24 PM PST by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Ditter

I'll never forget the contrast between those two on the day that happened. She looked like a skinny wretch and he looked very well taken care of.


40 posted on 02/27/2006 1:09:21 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: dmz
very few of us would think our spouses capable of such an act.

An actively psychotic person is capable of anything. Maybe good old Rusty should've listened to the doctors who told him his wife should never ever have another child after her first psychotic break.

41 posted on 02/27/2006 1:09:36 PM PST by Mordacious
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To: dmz
She is crazy if she rejects this deal.

She's a lot of things, all bad, but she's not crazy!
42 posted on 02/27/2006 1:11:04 PM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: Ditter
There are a lot of crazy people out there and they don't kill their children. If she was so crazy she should have killed herself. But she didn't did she?
43 posted on 02/27/2006 1:11:43 PM PST by CaptainK
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To: dfwgator

A regular Catch-22.


44 posted on 02/27/2006 1:11:57 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Ditter

Wasn't one of the excuses for killing those poor kids, was that they were the embodiment of Satan or some such? Now if her perspective was that Rusty = Satan, therefore offspring of Rusty = seed of Satan, than that kind of rational is not as crazy at it first appears. The guy is a freak and as head of household, demonstrated what kind of home he presided over.

So, if she believed that the children were genetically handicapped, then she was thinking "logically" on that point. However, she forgot to look in the mirror, because it wasn't Rusty who drowned them. Where's old Sparky when you need him.


45 posted on 02/27/2006 1:12:04 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: CaptainK
He didn't force her to live that life. She chose to. She could have left in the middle of the night and the children would still be alive.

People who are stark raving loons aren't exactly known for making sound decisions.

46 posted on 02/27/2006 1:12:31 PM PST by Mordacious
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To: Ditter
Perfect!

Call a cab, that's the ticket! If crazy people were thinking straight they wouldn't be crazy would they?

47 posted on 02/27/2006 1:14:33 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: dmz

Catch 22. If you want to go to prison, you are crazy and can't be tried.

But if you don't want the plea deal, that indicates you are not crazy...


48 posted on 02/27/2006 1:15:40 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk (I am going to be assertive...If that is OK with you.)
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To: Ditter
He needs to be figured in the blame along with her ... He ... will (or has) remarry and start over again.

What about the fool who marries him? Will she be held accountable for enabling this man to potentially repeat the tragic circumstances of his former wife and late kids?

I think it's unwise to seek to spread accountability like this. That the man contributed to the creation of the tragedy is true, but the woman is who murdered the kids. I think it wiser for laws to hold people accountable for their own actions, rather than the actions of those close to them. He didn't drown any kids.

Another scenario: The wonderful teenage boy who committed suicide -- should his short-sighted, selfish, stupid single mother, who has his blood on her hands, be held legally accountable? Even though I may (and do) hold her morally responsible, I do not believe she should be held legally responsible. No one forced the boy to pull the trigger, even if some did create the environment that successfully tempted him to do so.

"Immoral" and "illegal" are two different things, and rightly.

49 posted on 02/27/2006 1:15:52 PM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Mordacious

She certainly has renewed vigor in these new legal battles. How does such a crazy loon regain her sanity so fast?


50 posted on 02/27/2006 1:16:37 PM PST by CaptainK
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