Bush hopes for 'moderate' Hamas [Sinners In Hell Hoping For Ice Shipment Alert]

The Australian ^ | Feb. 25, 2006 | Not Cited

[conservativecorner]

US President George W. Bush suggested overnight that being in government might have "a moderating influence" on the radical group Hamas in the wake of its victory in Palestinian legislative elections.

"As democracy takes root, the responsibilities of governing will have a moderating influence on those who assume power in free elections. It's easier to be a martyr than a mayor or a cabinet minister," he said.

President Bush's remarks came in a wide-ranging speech in which he defended his push for spreading democracy in the Middle East from critics who say the victory by Hamas harms US national security as well as Israel.

"When you're responsible for building roads and bridges and power stations and educating people and providing health, you're less likely to blow up health clinics and schools and bridges," he said.

"In democracies, elected leaders must deliver real change in people's lives or the voters will boot them out at the next election time. It's a lesson that the leaders of Hamas will now have to learn," he said.

"The leaders of Hamas have a choice to make: If they want the help of America and the international community to build a prosperous, independent Palestinian state, they must recognise Israel, disarm, reject terrorism and work for lasting peace," he said.

"The international community must continue to make clear to Hamas that democratically elected leaders cannot have one foot in the camp of democracy and one foot in the camp of terror," said Bush.

"The world is waiting to see what choice Hamas makes," said President Bush, who has warned of US aid cuts to the Palestinians if Hamas fails to meet his conditions.

[tomahawk]

He has lost his mind.

Unbelievable.

[peyton randolph]

Moderate Muslims are those who support terrorists but don't directly commit terrorist acts. Islam must be destroyed.

[bildabare]

What does this link have to do with anything? not much... but it's funny just the same--

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=oXnyDV244Zo

[El Gato]

"As democracy takes root, the responsibilities of governing will have a moderating influence on those who assume power in free elections. It's easier to be a martyr than a mayor or a cabinet minister," he said.

It certainly did not work out that way for a certain Austrian corporal.

The danger is when a mayor or cabinet minister still wants to be a martyr. Attacking Israel or the US could manage that quite nicely.

A similarity between that Corporal and the boys who are Hamas is that they want to kill Jews, as many as they can, as fast as they can, whenever they can. Not too surprising since their is a direct line of descent from the Nazis to Hamas, via the Muslim Brotherhood and a couple of other spin offs from the MB.

[epow]

US President George W. Bush suggested overnight that being in government might have "a moderating influence" on the radical group Hamas in the wake of its victory in Palestinian legislative elections.

Please Lord, let someone convince me that Bush is smarter than that.

HAMAS will never be any more moderate than Saddam will ever be humbly repentant for his crimes against humanity. The word "moderation" isn't in the Islamic dictionary.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

"When you're responsible for building roads and bridges and power stations and educating people and providing health, you're less likely to blow up health clinics and schools and bridges," he said.

Was our President under the impression that the palestinians were blowing up their OWN clinics, schools and bridges? Or is he suggesting that Hamas, after enduring the arduous process of governing, will empathize with the Israelis and forgo its eternal ambition to rid the world of the Jews?

Honestly. What in the hell are you talking about, Mr. President? This is HAMAS.

[isrul]

"As democracy takes root, the responsibilities of governing will have a moderating influence on those who assume power in free elections. It's easier to be a martyr than a mayor or a cabinet minister," he said."

If he believes this, we are in grave danger with him in charge. Carter was disgustingly weak but Bush is disgustingly naive which will lead him to make decisions destructive to this country.

[isrul]

I wonder if Bush is somehow related to Chamberlain?

[isrul]

I can't wait to see how the bushbots will blindly defend this idiocy.

[isrul]

I wonder if LImbaugh or O'reille ywill mention this on Monday.

[isrul]

Now I understand why he sacrificed so many American lives in Iraq to create a democracy. He thinks it is some kind of magic thing that changes murdering fanatics into gentlemen. IN his mind this is the solution to terrorism. He'll still believe it after Iraq becomes a rabid anti american theocracy with Sadr as the leader.

[COEXERJ145]

Oh yes, genocide is such a great idea.

[rawcatslyentist]

>""In democracies, elected leaders must deliver real change in people's lives or the voters will boot them out at the next election time. It's a lesson that the leaders of Hamas will now have to learn," he said."

When will the leaders of Hamassachusettes learn this lesson? Then again I suppose Teddy did make a real change in MJKs life, and Skerry JoKerry is a natural remedy for insomnia!

He's Got A Plan
Zippo Hero

Kill A Commie For Mommie
Seven Dead Monkeys Page O Tunes

[isrul]

"Please Lord, let someone convince me that Bush is smarter than that."

Don't worry. Someone will explain that this is really brilliant insight on Bush' part.

[TheDon]

Agreed. Sigh...

[Mount Athos]

"When you're responsible for building roads and bridges and power stations and educating people and providing health, you're less likely to blow up health clinics and schools and bridges,"

I don't recall the nazis becoming less violent when they took governing control of the state.

The time consumed for Bush to figure out he is wrong on this could be as costly as the time consumed by Chamberlain in WWII. Hopes for Hamas to moderate are terribly wrongheaded. Right now atrocity loving muslims throughout the middle east are throwing buckets of money at Hamas, knowing full well it will be used for terrorism.

[isrul]

"Moderate Muslims are those who support terrorists but don't directly commit terrorist acts. Islam must be destroyed."

I don't see genocide mentioned in your statement. It's peculiar that someone else used that word regarding your post. Destroying Islam no more equates to genocide than destroying fascism or Nazism, both of which America destroyed.

[peyton randolph]

I don't see genocide mentioned in your statement. It's peculiar that someone else used that word regarding your post. Destroying Islam no more equates to genocide than destroying fascism or Nazism, both of which America destroyed.

---

Bingo! However, I won't hold my breath waiting for a retraction of the genocide accusation.

[sheik yerbouty]

Give it another day or so..

[bybybill]

Gee, if only America would have been so lucky to have you as President instead of the traitor GWB.

[bybybill]

You said Islam must be destroyed. How are you going to do it?
(I`ll be really suprised to get an answer that does contain an insult)

[bybybill]

Now Bush is going to destroy the country? Guess you are another voter for Terrible Tom

[bybybill]

How many US sailors have Hammas killed? Guess what country killed the most since WW11?

[bybybill]

GWB is Chamberlin? Wow, that`s quite a statement. Where is your proof, or, maybe, that is not important.

[Howlin]

Does the word

MIGHT

not fall in your vocabulary?

[prophetic]

he being a POLITICIAN alright!

[buwaya]

He has a point. Hamas is powerful because it is popular. It was popular because it had no responsibility - some rhetoric, some Jews killed, some charity here and there. No Palestinians depended on it for their lives.

The Palestinians depend mainly on government handouts, and that means even food and water. These handouts were mostly handled by the worthless Fatah organization.

Now Hamas has to deliver. If they get no or insufficient funds to keep up the handouts, if they screw up, they will look like a bunch of stinkers just like Fatah. And they don't have enough guns, goons and money to pull a Saddam Hussein and ignore public opinion. And Fatah will be there to whine and complain at every stumble.

[bybybill]

You days are numbered here, how dare you think before you post? When the crazies stop for a breath and really look at what our President said, some of the Bush haters might stop.
This is what drives me nuts, Who was done the most, except our troops, to stop the terroirists then GWB? Yet, the nut burgers go crazy on every half bit, right or wrong, of info they get and start with Bush is , take your pick, stupid, niaive, a traidor, or a sell out. Of course, when they are proven wrong, they go back to their caves.

[TChad]

Some posters here are reacting as though Bush said that he thought it likely that Hamas would become less extreme. He didn't say that.

[isrul]

"GWB is Chamberlain? Wow, that`s quite a statement. Where is your proof, or, maybe, that is not important."

I didn't say that. But if you want to go there, they do share a common trait. Chamberlain was and Bush is pathetically naive. The comments Bush made clearly demonstrate that.

[garandgal]

I don't recall the nazis becoming less violent when they took governing control of the state.

How dare you point out the obvious historical fact that not all societies want "peace."

The Democracy Fairy won't be leaving any pennies under your pillow tonight.

[isrul]

I didn't say destroy. I said destructive. Who is Terrible Tom?

[isrul]

Yeah. But will they agree?

[buwaya]

The Nazis were competent, they could walk and chew gum, deliver the goodies and kill too.

The Palestinians ?

[Jorge]

Please Lord, let someone convince me that Bush is smarter than that.

Perhaps God will help you learn to read at the same time. Bush said "MIGHT".

[Jorge]

If he believes this, we are in grave danger with him in charge. Carter was disgustingly weak but Bush is disgustingly naive which will lead him to make decisions destructive to this country.

You're disgustingly judgmental and ignorant. Bush said "MIGHT". Comprendo?

Bush is the President who wouldn't meet with Arafat. And you turn on him over a single sentence. Shame on you.

[bybybill]

Maybe I missed it, but isn`t Bush leading the world in the fight against the terrorists? And didn`t Neil come back from Germany and declare " Peace in our Time" after giving Hitler all that he wanted. Bush has done that?< Finally where is Bush "pathetically naive"? Here is a man that has lead the world in a new, terrific war, against mad men.He was had to fight the Rats, the MSM, and idiots like you, but, he doesn`t waiver, and, in the end, we will win.

[isrul]

"As democracy takes root, the responsibilities of governing will have a moderating influence on those who assume power in free elections. "

Your amigo, Bush didn't say might. He said will. I and every other citizen have the right and duty to be judgmental of him. He answers to us.

[bybybill]

Tom Tancreddo, R-Co (I have messed up the spelling)

[isrul]

They frowned upon gum chewing.

[kenth]

It was not but a week or two ago that, in referring to democrats, the President said, to paraphrase, "One has to lead as things are, not as they wish them to be."

A moderate Hamas is nothing but wishful thinking.

[garandgal]

The Nazis were competent, they could walk and chew gum, deliver the goodies and kill too.

The Palestinians ?

Just as evil on a smaller scale; why don't you ask the family members of the hundreds of Israelis killed over the last ten years for a truer perspective.

Hamas is certainly a group that we should not even be talking to...oh...except for the little matter that we did support the elections.

Then we were shocked when the bad guys won...what with "people yearning for a peaceful existence," and all.

Why, a culture as a whole might just truly support evil...who knew? Well, besides anyone who paid attention in Jr. High history class.

[kenth]

"Well, besides anyone who paid attention in Jr. High history class."

Yep. It was ridiculous that Sec. Rice acted shocked at the election. Any one here could have told her what was going to happen.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

What Israel did 39 years ago doesn't change the fact that Hamas is an army of islamofascist psychopaths.

[sheik yerbouty]

Who knows?

[ch.man]

some Jews killed

Your choice of words is surprising and conveys a strange casual connotation.

[ch.man]

As democracy takes root, the responsibilities of governing will have a moderating influence on those who assume power in free elections. It's easier to be a martyr than a mayor or a cabinet minister...

I am not so certain Mr. President. I would not bet on any moderating effect. These guys have lived all their life for one thing: destroy Israël. They will just reformulate their doctrine in a more digestible form at best. (Is Arafat already forgotten?)

Anyway, looking at the Bush administration from far away, I am more and more getting the impression of a gradually less focused policy, of more mistakes and errors of judgement, from the refusal to positively support the cartoon controversy to the useless trip of Miss Rice in the ME, and not forgetting the UAE PR issue. I just dont like some of the signals given. I just dont get it any more. But this is only me of course. I may simply not be intellectually up to the task!


Now go ahead, blast the moronic european leftist creep.....LOL

[conservativecorner]

Great point BUMP! He's acting like these murdering Islamo-fascists can be rehabilitated which is damn scary if you value the lessons of history.

[chris1]

He knows Hamas' heart and soul. Don't worry.