Posted on 02/23/2006 5:56:36 PM PST by TVenn
Your response is simple BS and it's a waste of time for me to reply, but what the hell. The UAE is on record as condemming all acts of terror. No UAE government agency supports or funds "suicide bombers."
As for your second paragraph, the illustration was simply a way of pointing out an important difference to you. Next time I'll use pie plates and dollies to try to make it easier for you to understand.
"But, but, but,,, Rush never mentioned this.."
Did he mention the terrorists living in FL?
I just got done reading Gary Schroen's book, "First In", about his story of leading the first CIA team into Afghanistan after 9/11. I don't know his politics but he seems to be a very credible guy. He was the Islamabad station chief during the time of this hunting trip by UAE officials(Feb. 99) and was privy to the intelligence about Bin Laden being in the neighboring camp.
In Steve Coll's book, "Ghost Wars", he interviewed Schroen about this incident and in response to Langley's and the White House's reluctance to conduct a cruise missile attack due to wanting 'more precision' Schroen said, 'What is it going to come down to--when is he going to take a leak?' Of course referring to Bin Laden and the White House wanting to know the exact tent he was sleeping in before they launched the missiles.
Gary Schroen thought the evidence that Bin Laden was there(along with the Emirati princes) was very solid and good enough to shoot. I tend to believe him. He also went on to say in his interview with Coll, 'Let's just blow the thing up. And if we kill bin Laden, and five sheikhs are killed, I'm sorry. What are they doing with Bin Laden? He's a terrorist. You lie down with the dog, you get up with fleas.' I also tend to agree with him here.
Another person who thought the intel was extremely good on Bin Laden's location in the camp was former Bin Laden unit Chief, at the Counter Terrorist Center, Michael Scheuer. And while I agree with his critics on some things, I also would say he was sincere in his determination to get Bin Laden and I tend to agree with his assessment of this 'hunting' incident. Some of his critics seem to think that Scheuer alone had the ability to fire the missiles and hence didn't do enough to get Bin Laden. The way I read what happened was that Scheuer was very vocal to his superiors about the need for more action against Bin Laden and it was his superiors who were complacent.
About this UAE ports deal you may get me to believe that the overall immediate threat at the ports in minimal but another way to look at is giving business to a state-owned company. I take this to mean the profits of this company are filtered down the royal family. Meaning the very princes who hunted with Bin Laden(and IMO undoubtedly give him support, financial or otherwise) may be getting money out of the profits of this company(because of course the princes weren't punished in anyway for associating with Bin Laden).
The idea no one can point to any UAE activity since 9/11 that has aided anti-American terrorism is almost ridiculous to me. If I remember correctly Carlo Gambino never spent more than a day in jail that doesn't mean he wasn't the biggest criminal in the country.
Needless to say I'm very skeptical of this ports deal for a variety of reasons the main one being the UAE leaderships duplicitous nature in regards to being our 'ally'.
"No UAE government agency supports or funds suicide bombers."
You may want to retract that statement before you look like a completely uninformed poster (to put it mildly). Don't bother about explaining things to me, professor. With your rhetorical skills, you should be worrying about your students.
"It turns out that an anti-Israeli foundation run by the crown prince of Dubai owns the very deed to CAIR's headquarters located almost in the shadow of the U.S. Capitol. The foundation has held telethons to support families of Palestinian suicide bombers." (http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:BgAAE3vM-q8J:www.discoverthenetwork.org/Articles/Z-CAIR.htm+cair+dubai&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a)
And the 911 commission did a fine job, right?
Levin...what about the 911 commission ignoring Able Danger?????
Go away, un-Levin.
Give credit to Rush where credit is due. he is using logic, while everyone else is using emotion. so LOGICALLY, The UAE controls our ports and allows nuclear weapons to get in and detonate. You don't think for a nano second that they know they will be exterminated off the face of the earth. Bottom line: They don't control security, we do! They already are working with Homeland Security on their Dubai Port facility. And the clincher, Dubai Ports World is a business. They are not going to spend billions to control a port to allow terrorist WMD into our country knowing full well the ramifacations to them and their home country.
That's the remark makes the most sense to me.
6 billion bucks would buy you a lot of untraceable clandestine operations.
"With your rhetorical skills, you should be worrying about your students. "
Nope. I'm worried more about those who spread lies about a key US ally in the war on terror. Let's see if you can explain which UAE government agency sends money directly to Palistinian terror bombers.
Well, with all this hoo-hah over these 6 ports one thing is for sure and that is that it will be a whole lot tougher for ANY terrorist activity to happen since these Ports have been HIGHLIGHTED! Perhaps this was meant to happen in order to "shine the light" and help prevent attacks in these particular ports....
You've added another nail to the critics' coffin. Of course, you're right. UAE has no desire to see its world credibility ruined.
Wow! The 9-11 Commission and Richard Clarke were on this?! Now if the AP gets a Joe Wilson quote I'll really know W messed up on this one....
You underestimate the determination of our enemy. They care not how much money nor how long to strike us. Chess can be a very long game with many long term moves...so can global jihad.
JEDI.
Well then it doesn't matter who owns the ports then does it? I mean Islam is world wide. Infiltration just a matter of time, be it a British run company (already being overran by muslims) or an Islamic country.....the size of Maine.....that has no nukes or chemical weapons to defend itself...and willing to spend $6 billion to see to their own extermination. Ones own extermination can be done far cheaper!
Then why spend $6 billion to achieve what 1 suicide belt for $100 could do? This is all irrational fear. The Saudis could have rigged a bomb on a supertanker by now!
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