Posted on 02/21/2006 11:10:13 PM PST by antaresequity
So we've surrendered our ports to the English AND the Chinese?
Yeah, and America's been devastated by that.
BTW, if you have yet to read a single post where anyone wishes to harm to the UAE you haven't read some of those I've read. They're on the same level as Syria and pre-war Iraq to many here, who wish to kill all Muslims.
Yes, yes, so I have heard--peaceful too. I have actually come around to your way of thinking and have been working on slogans. How about this one? "Republicans, the party of Islam" We can do a cartoon of Mohamed wearing Uncle Sam's stars and stripes hat and a GOP banner. I think that Muslims would really take to the streets in support of this idea. What do you think? It's just so exciting, Islam and infidels working together.
I think the danger is more (as someone noted earlier) that UAE is "friendly" now"
Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims. All but some of the most fundamental Muslims consider the act of Al-taqiyya or lying to non-Muslims to be a good work. This is very important when one remembers that, in Islam, salvation is determined by good works. This means that a Muslim lying to a non-Muslim is that Muslim doing a good work to earn salvation.
it is very common practice for Muslims, especially leaders, to lie about the war against non-Muslims. These lies come in many forms such as denying that Islam is a war against non-Muslims, that the Koran teaches salvation through fighting and killing non-Muslims, feigning sympathy for the US concerning 9/11, or Muslim countries denying that they have military intentions against Israel, the US, or other non-Muslim countries.
Sellouts.
Traitors.
One good thng has come from this.The Dems have committed themselves as profilers and suspicious of Muslims..NOW they wont be able to cry "profiling " at us anymore. I also see what I think is a healthy suspicion of Arabs across the boards.
You will find just as many threads on the Chinese port folly. That will certainly be shown to have been a huge mistake. As far as an English company goes, that is a different story, it was not a government owned entity.
Yeah, and America's been devastated by that.
It's not over yet. China is still building it's military and has only just THREATENED to nuke us so far.
BTW, if you have yet to read a single post where anyone wishes to harm to the UAE you haven't read some of those I've read. They're on the same level as Syria and pre-war Iraq to many here, who wish to kill all Muslims.
As I have said, I have not seen such a post in the hundreds that I have read. I think that most people here are informed enough to know better. Still, there is significant funding coming from UAE into questionable groups. Caution is warranted. The percentage of posts that you speak of is probably considerably smaller than your own Muslim community calling for death to infidels.
So by supporting this deal, I'm now a member of the Muslim community?
Yeah, wherever did I get the idea that people on the other side of this weren't slapping labels or calling names?
"Bush is playing a longterm game here"
only thing is , he didnt know about the deal untill we all did .Dosen't sund like he had much hand in it at all never mind having a long term plan in mind with this deal .
Now go back and read what I wrote. I did not call you a Muslim. I simply referred to the UAE Muslim community that you defend from imagined death threats. As for labels and names--that is a far cry from the countless death to all Muslims posts that you claimed to have read earlier. That is a straw man to your claim.
OK. let's see:
smaller than your own Muslim community
Nice try. But when your words are right there, your lame "strawman" line looks like, uh, a strawman.
Careful, you backpedal so fast you might trip.
Uh huh. Dream on.
If you read my post you would know that comment is a description of his total approach to the region. I never thought he personally had a hand in this. In fact, it's illegal, as congress also can't know about the details of such deals ahead of time, either--probably has to do with insider trading or somesuch "anti-corruption" thing. I'm talking about his overall approach, and this would be a piece of that whether he personally had anything to do with it or not.
Post #241 from DW377: "SOME of the posts I've read"
How do you get "countless" out of that?
No wonder you mention strawmen, you create so many you must have hay rash on your fingers.
The present is not always indicative of the future. Until recently most democracies collapsed into dictatorships in about two centuries. It is far too soon to be certain that that pattern has changed.
Italy was a democracy from 1861 to 1922.
I'm not predicting, I'm pointing out that assumptions (in this case that democracies are stable) often turn out to be mistaken.
What's to prevent it happening now?
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