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Liberals Delude Themselves on Brokeback Mountain's Popularity
RealCearPolitics.com ^ | 2/20/06 | John Leo

Posted on 02/20/2006 11:52:55 AM PST by LdSentinal

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To: Ichneumon
I'll admit to being somewhat skeptical about the meme theory, because of the difficulty in defining the parameters of a particular meme or memeplex. It's not like in biology proper, where we can define species, classes, clades and phylum with a great deal of accuracy and chart their lines of descent with precision.

Still, it's a useful metaphor, especially when describing mass delusions. My favorite example of a meme based on falsehood and fallacies is the left's belief that they are the reality-based community.

141 posted on 02/20/2006 4:45:50 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: Junior

butintheback mountain is NOT a romance movie, it is a propaganda piece to justify a the sex fetish behavior. It is strictly that.

Homosexual behavior is ONLY about sex no matter how "fuffy" the homosexuals of hollyweird tries to dress it up.


142 posted on 02/20/2006 6:49:25 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: GVnana
Was this supposed to be love?

Yes. For 20 years the two sneak off three or four times a year to "go fishing". Jack, who lives in Texas and is the less masculine of the two, wants Ennis-- who lives in Wyoming-- to come live with him on his parents' ranch.

But Ennis is afraid because when he was a kid, he knew of two men who lived together and one of them was eventually murdered by the locals. He also seems to want to stay near his two daughters, even after the divorce. The affair goes on until one day Ennis learns that Jack has been... guess what? Murdered by the locals.

143 posted on 02/20/2006 6:55:17 PM PST by wizardoz
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To: RobbyS

If you hear about police "hasseling" homosexuals is is almost always related to homosexuals seeking sex in public restrooms or vandalizing rest rooms in some way to facilitate sex.

It is their behavior in public rest rooms not their skin color that is the problem.


144 posted on 02/20/2006 7:13:13 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Like poor old Walter Jenkins. By and large, gays used to be treated pretty much the same way as sex offenders. I knoiw of one kid at my old high school who was caught making out with a fellow football player. It costs him scholarships etc. but mostly it was kept quiet like a girl getting an abortion.
The big difference is that the psychpotherapy crowed has managed to turn around public opinion, so that something like sexual perversion has been narrowed to a few categories such as pedophilia.


145 posted on 02/20/2006 7:32:08 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

No they have NOT turned around public opinion.

Homosexuality is and always will be a mental abnormality no matter what the PC shrinks try to BS.

It was correct to cost him. He was a sexual deviant and had no place in a gym room until and if he had mental treatment.

Homosexuality is no different than any other sexual fetish. The only thing that has changed it that it has been decriminalized and now the NEA encourages homosexuals to cultivate child victims in the public schools.


146 posted on 02/20/2006 8:10:42 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Beg to differ. They have convinced the public that gays are harmless. This is especially true of the younger set.


147 posted on 02/20/2006 8:19:12 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: wizardoz
Having finally seen it last night, I have to say... it's an interesting movie, if nothing else. And it does show how the affair hurts the families. But I did end up feeling sorry for the both of them. Actually, for everyone involved. I don't really understand what made them fall for each other, but the emotion was portrayed pretty effectively.

You were probably manipulated to feel sorry for everyone in the movie, especially since I hear the main character was murdered at the end for being gay.

148 posted on 02/20/2006 8:25:01 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta (There's always a reason to choose life.)
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To: RobbyS

No they have not given the amount of people voting to pass defense of marriage acts.

Additionally, the parents I know do not want homosexuals around their children.

It has be stated repeatedly that people will say one thing to pollsters but keep their unPC opinions from pollsters.


149 posted on 02/20/2006 8:32:14 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

People under thirty are far more tolerant of homosexual behavior, more inclined to think it a matter of personal taste. I agree that most find it, to a degree, disgusting. Ironically, there are probably more "incidenst of violence against gays than when I wsas in high school, becayse themn they concealed their "orientation" and now express it more openly. But increasingly it is becoming government policy to protect this behavior.


150 posted on 02/20/2006 8:42:22 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

You must not hang out with the thirty and under crowd.

Homosexuality is no more accepted now than it ever was.


151 posted on 02/20/2006 8:44:39 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

I noticed increased tolerance of homosexuals among high school kids about the time that Clinton came into office. This was at a school which taught military dependents. It was quite a change from ten years before.They used the AIDs epidemic to create sympathy. Brilliant PR campaign.


152 posted on 02/20/2006 8:50:55 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: LdSentinal
I would rather go see:

Loot is a Force of Nature

153 posted on 02/20/2006 9:10:48 PM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "I believe Hillary is the aunti-christ.")
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
You were probably manipulated to feel sorry for everyone in the movie, especially since I hear the main character was murdered at the end for being gay.

Yes, one of the irritating things about Hollywood is their constant insistence that if you are gay, you will eventually be murdered by rednecks. But actually, they glossed that over. It was a very short scene. The emphasis, or the tragedy of the story seemed more about Jack's frustrated desire to get Ennis to come and be with him. When he couldn't, Jack did start occasionally hooking up with other men. Interestingly, neither of them considered being with women to be "cheating," but near the end when Jack hints that he has gone down into Mexico on forays, and Ennis knows that to mean "other men," he is enraged.

What was affecting wasn't so much the two-lovers-kept-apart angle. It was more the difference between the two of them. Jack really wanted Ennis around all the time. Ennis was able to focus on his regular life when they weren't together. He was very matter-of-fact about things.

After Jack is dead, Ennis goes to Jack's parents hoping to take Jack's ashes and scatter them on Brokeback, but the father refuses to hand them over. He tells Ennis that Jack had been hooking up with some other man that last year, and it's kind of interesting that they portrayed Jack as rather weak and plaintive. Ennis is much stronger, or more stubborn.

154 posted on 02/20/2006 9:41:57 PM PST by wizardoz
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To: Sensei Ern; All

155 posted on 02/20/2006 9:52:35 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: LdSentinal

Dems are deluded .. they produce fake and skewerd polls - and end up believing them.

You can't get much more deluded than that!


156 posted on 02/20/2006 10:14:24 PM PST by CyberAnt (Democrats/Old Media: "controversy, crap and confusion" -- Amen!)
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To: longtermmemmory
butintheback mountain is NOT a romance movie, it is a propaganda piece to justify a the sex fetish behavior. It is strictly that.

It's also a recruitment tool, no pun intended.

157 posted on 02/21/2006 7:30:05 AM PST by subterfuge ("We're going to take things from you for the greater good..."---Hillary Rod-Ham Clinton)
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To: wizardoz
Ennis is afraid because when he was a kid, he knew of two men who lived together and one of them was eventually murdered by the locals. He also seems to want to stay near his two daughters, even after the divorce. The affair goes on until one day Ennis learns that Jack has been... guess what? Murdered by the locals.

What a barfer. A five-year-old could develop a deeper plot.

158 posted on 02/21/2006 8:21:59 AM PST by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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To: wizardoz

Just curious why you went to see Brokeback...I wouldn't want to help it make money. Aside from the gay aspect, I've been avoiding R-rated movies in general.

Did you see Walk the Line and Cinderella Man?


159 posted on 02/21/2006 8:55:28 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta (There's always a reason to choose life.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Honestly, I went to see Brokeback because it's become enough of a talking point on both sides that I felt it was important. I have also developed a lot of respect for Ang Lee based on his direction of Sense and Sensibility.

I haven't seen Cinderella Man yet, though I want to, but I did indeed see Walk the Line and I was really impressed. I thought the singing in particular was great.

160 posted on 02/21/2006 11:48:48 AM PST by wizardoz
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