Posted on 02/17/2006 12:08:23 PM PST by Hannah Senesh
Several anti-Semitic graffiti, including one saying "Holocaust is a Jewish Lie," appeared Thursday on the walls of a World War II Nazi death camp in central Serbia.
Jasna Ciric, the head of the Jewish community in Nis, said the graffiti was apparently timed to coincide with the 64th anniversary of the massacre of some 1,100 Jews, Serbs and Gypsies in the camp.
"It's unbelievable that such messages are still alive in the 21st century," Ciric said, adding that about 12,000 people were killed by Nazis in the Bubanj concentration camp during World War II.
The other paint-written graffiti included: "Serbia for Serbs" and the infamous "Arbeit Macht Frei" (work liberates) slogan of the notorious Auschwitz death camp.
Serbia has seen a surge of anti-Semitism in recent years, fueled by nationalists who claim that all the republic's problems stem from the powerful Jews who allegedly support anti-Serb policies in the United States and elsewhere in the world.
I've seen more than a few comments by one poster at FreeRepublic alluding to that very thing.
Most distressing.
But lots of people here keep telling us the Serbs are our buddies!
What I find bizarre is that so many ethnic Serbs were themselves killed by the Nazis and their allies.
Was it signed by the "President" of Iran?
Were they written in arabic, or Farsi?
Weren't a good portion of the Muslim serbs collaborating with the Nazis?
Don't mistake some looney's vandalism for the opinion of the whole country. You don't necessarily say Germans are going to go creating the next Reich when you see some German neo-nazis, do you ?
The Serb supporters at FR make non stop posts about the Terrorist Moslems in Bosnia and the destruction of Serbian Churches by the Moslems, and the Bosnians regard the Serbs as Nazi supporting animals who slaughtered the Jews with glee.
Very confusing
I went to Birkenau years ago It was not well-maintained then the way nearby Auschwitz was, and the buildings were deterioriating. There was anti-Semitic graffiti scratched into one of them, in Italian IIRC. It happens.
What's so bizzare about the people resisting Nazis being killed en masse ?
Quite correct.
These people are ignorant, and their opinions on this subject, and probably many others, are worthless.
Something is wrong with this picture. Why wouldn't they be most upset with Albanian mooslims?
But then... They have every reason to hate us and hate us forever. If they perceive we are the land of the Jews, then the anti-semitism might be understandable. But the fact remains we bombed the crap out of a society that was trying to fend off the islamists. We committed a war crime. One day perhaps we will admit it, but probably not because that would imply that Bush 41's "other" son is a war criminal.
They're not our buds, they hate our guts, and with good reason.
Terrific screen name.
I was totally confused back during the bombing, but I didn't understand the Religion of Piece® as well then as I do now.
And for the most part, they are all correct.
I don't declare support for either balkan faction directly. But maybe I can clarify a bit with some history.
Fact : Serbian churches are being torched in Kosovo. Or have been, very recently, since we bombed Serbia, and allowed Albanians to set up their de-facto state.
Fact : During WWII, there were serious collaborators on all sides. More notorious ones were Muslim - there was a Nazi SS muslim brigade and Croatian Ustashe, and some Serbian 5th column elements.
What the bosnians think of as 'Nazi supporting animals' were Chetniks, a Royalist/Loyalist faction, which fought for restoration of the king/monarchy against the communist partisans (led by communists, encompassing Croats, Serbs and Muslims) and the Nazis. They were neither nazi supporting, nor animals. At least no more so than the rest. It's just that Bosnian history books don't agree with the ones you'd read in the US, for example.
Since WWII everyone had their grievances, and those were ruthlessly supressed by the communist regime. When the communism collapsed, all the nationalistic elements came to power by stirring old grievances. And then everyone made new ones.
The reality at this time (important, because we live in present day as opposed to some people who live in the past) is that the Bosnian muslims that existed there in the 80s and 90s (relatively secular, normal , european people) got very much radicalized after the Bosnian war. Turning to Saudis for help since there was noone else does that. Also most of the intelligencia on all sides, Croatian, Serbian, and Muslim, left Bosnia. What is left now is only a shadow of the former society, and, again, a fertile ground for extremist points of view.
While everyone and noone was to blame for what happened in the past (I'm chalking it up to post-cold war geopolitics), the truth is that Bosnia *today* is bordering on a nightmarish terrorist scenario. All caucasian, ethnic Serbs forcibly converted during 800 years of Ottoman rule, that are virtually indistinguishable from other europeans, are being indoctrinated in Saudi founded/funded mosques. Do the math.
"Don't mistake some looney's vandalism for the opinion of the whole country."
This is symptomatic of something far, far more than just the activities of a few "loony" vandals. From the article:
"Serbia has seen a surge of anti-Semitism in recent years, fueled by nationalists who claim that all the republic's problems stem from the powerful Jews who allegedly support anti-Serb policies in the United States and elsewhere in the world."
And no, "I don't necessarily say Germans are going to go creating the next Reich when I see some German neo-nazis." It does make me wonder though when close on 60% of Germans believe that the Israelis are similar to the Nazis.
I never cease to be amazed by those who always wish to downplay anti-Semitism. Because their relatives were not murdered and because they are not affected by anti-Semitism, they are always willing to slough off even the most outrageous incident.
"Anti-Semitic slogans scrawled at WWII death camp"
This can't be true. I heard those camps were imaginary.
And, there is no need to over play it, either.
I question claim that the nationalists are fueling anti-semitic views to such an extent. If you have a country that has rampant 'conspiracy theory' mentality, there's *always* someone to blame for something. And it's easy for an article author to overplay antisemitism.
There is always the possibility that some Balkan Muslim group did it to draw attention off themselves while they continue burning churches.
That is an understatement of epic proportions.
Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel.
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/sarcasm.
No such persons called muslims Serbs. Serbs are Orthodox Christians.
Serbs under General Milhailovic saved over 500 American and British flyers from the Nazi Croatians after the Allies planes were shot down by nazi forces who occupied Serbia.
The mufti of Jerusalem ( Afafats' uncle) was a great supporter of hitler. He formed those muslim SS divisions.
Croatia supported hitler as well and also provided SS troops.
NOT just soldiers, Pal... but SS!!
ALL the Jews who lived in Kosovo at the end of the 1999 bombing of that area FLED TO SERBIA and then most were taken in AS REFUGEES by Israel. The others stayed in SERBIA!!
The muslimes that roam around the Balkans hate:
1) ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS
2) JEWS
3) ALL PROTESTANTS.
4) GREEKS
5)RUSSIANS
6) DANES
Is it all Bosnian Muslims, or is it a faction that has become radicalized? As Europeans, they are not Wahabbist en masse, are they?
The peace keepers are still there and we do not hear reports of terror, roadside bombs or attacks. It can't be all bad, can it?
ABSOLUTELY!! I would never put it past those weasels the muslims!!
I am surprised YOU did not know that!!
Even old bin laden carried a bosnian passport.
My nephew was in Kosovo as a peacekeeper and also in Bosnia.
He used to think muslims over there were just like Europeans, BEFORE he spent time there... he came HOME with quite a different attitude.
OK. So if I understand this correctly, there were (almost) no Bosnian Muslims (or very few) who helped, sympathized or fought with the allies? There were virtually no Bosnian Muslims who helped or sympathized with the Jews who lived there?
Also, are there any sources beside Serbian nationalist sites that corroberate this history?
NO self-respecting Serb would ever MAKE light of the nazi butchers of the Balkans.
Now the Croatians and the muslims have denied the vast numbers of murdered JEWS, SERBS and GYPSIES in the camps that THEY ran.
Even to this day.. the Croatians deny that close to a million were BUTCHERED in their own death camps in Croatia.
The deniers are always... CROATS and BOSNIAN MUSLIMS!!
SERBS suffered in those camps horribly... THEY DO NOT DENY THE HOLOCAUST AT ALL!!
By the way, I am not a Serb . Just an old Baptist American, vet of the Korean war who dispises NAZIS. Two of my older brothers fought the nazis in Europe. One was hurt pretty bad in the hedgerows in France.
General Milhalovich, a SERB, was awarded a medal from the US Congress for his efforts to SAVE ALLIED PILOTS.
He never got it because that commie basturd tito had him put to death.
The reports of increased Serb anti-semitism was a propaganda piece put out by Mr. Soros' organizations.
You see, the Muslim Albanians that have temporarily taken over the Serbian province of Kosovo have driven out all of the Jews there. Mr. Soros has conducted a land grab of some Serbian-owned mining rights in that area and he knows he will forfeit them when the Serbs return. Therefore, he must do everything that he can to make the Serbs look bad to try to prevent that from happening.
And hundreds of thousands of Serbs died in death camps run by Fascist Albanians, Croatians, and Germans. They would not make light of them.
In fact, when Madeline Albright's family was on the run from the Fascists, Serbs protected them. Of course, she paid them a thank you by stabbing them in the back.
You know what? I am an AMERICAN NATIONALIST!! AREN'T YOU?
By the way, I am not a Serb . Just an old Baptist American, vet of the Korean war who dispises NAZIS. Two of my older brothers fought the nazis in Europe. One was hurt pretty bad in the hedgerows in France.
General Milhalovich, a SERB, was awarded a medal from the US Congress for his efforts to SAVE ALLIED PILOTS.
He never got it because that commie basturd tito had him put to death.
Of course, people other than Serbs are willing to tell the truth about this and one merely needs to start looking. I'll help get you started.
There is one other, crucial reason that Muslims don’t like Holocaust Memorial Day or the Holocaust Museum industry. A lot of research goes into these things, and if we dig enough, we’ll find that Hitler had help from the Mufti of Jerusalem, the Bosnian Muslim SS Handzar Division and the Albanian SS Skanderbeg Division. The fact that the Holocaust memorialization industry, and organized Jewry in general, were slow to admit and reveal this to the world–defying their very purpose–is the reason we’re back to where we started.--From http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?cat=3
I am so tired of soros ... when, OH when... is that monster going to be pushing up the stink weeds from his grave?? LOL!!
He has done so much nasty stuff... even funding a campaign against our President George Bush.
He is backing hillary you know. Guess he figures if that hag gets in office, he can have Kosovo and maybe even Serbia for payback for his efforts to get that hillary-pig elected.
Did you know he backed billy-boy for Gov of Ar and Pres. ...way back???
Actually, that would be the Croatians. Ustache, to be exact.
Yes indeed.
Yes, I am aware of the Mufti of Jerusalem and the Nazi brigade of Muslims he inspected. The US Holocost museum site has a great deal more on the massacres of Serbs and Jews by Nazis.
Indeed I am.
Good. Now I will ping you to another thread.
The article merely confirms what many already knew; that Bosnia was a target for the new Nazis of the middle east to make a play for.
The last reply was re- ping to other thread.
I am rather distressed to see so many Serbs and Russians not only reverting to old Pan-Slavic anti-Semitism and paranoia about the west, but then hailing the Nazis.
Yes, you just go to Google and type "Muslim SS" and you will get lists of sites about Bosnian Muslims SS units. You go and type "Serb SS" and you get list of sites featuring Serbs killed by SS.
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