Posted on 01/29/2006 12:32:31 PM PST by Dark Skies
I disagree with this in that IMO islam is itself radical. This is tantamount to getting Christians to adopt a lukewarm faith without every wishing to become devout.
The cat is out of the bag now. I doubt you could put it back in.
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The people of the United States elected Jimmy Carter. Hopefully the Palis will learn from their mistakes.
We've reached an event horizon in world history.
Best description I have heard so far! Very dangerous time.
We have to make them so terrified, that even the dumbest Arab understands there are two alternatives: adapt to democracy or its equivalent, or die. Hammer the youknowwhatoutofthem first. PC warfare is like looking down the barrel of a gun and checking to see if it's loaded. You can't make nice while waging war, especially against Arabs. They haven't evolved far enough up the food chain for that.
Disagree. Now we have identified a people with their elected representative government as the enemy, not just terrorist amongst their ranks. The gloves can come off now.
Uh, no. What has happened is that its been clarified for us that, far from being at war with some small faction among west bank arabs, they are at war with west bank arabs themselves.
That actually goes a long way toward simplifying things.
Pipes is assuming somehow that Hamas is worse than Fatah. It isn't. But what is important is that in the eyes of the arabs who voted for Hamas, Fatah was somehow insufficiently dedicated to the killing of Israelis. Hamas has promised to remedy that shortcoming. Which means that if anyone still thinks the gates should be left open so that arab gardeners can get to their jobs, they have been exposed as hopelessly simple, and probably non-residents.
Seal the border, and leave the arabs to deal with one another.
Careful Danny. Actual conservatives (non-Republicans) have brought that issue up and they're called racist. Could it be that Germany and Japan actually had experience with democracy before it was 'established' by Western nations?
Because in Germany, for example, there was a ruthless policing effort to identify all members of the Nazi party and the German military command and to exclude them from government.
No such effort has taken place in these Arab hellholes.
Well, the region is more than ripe for a democracy - of settler type, like Israel is. As for the natives. Pipes is right.
If there was an election in the whole ME today, Osama would be elected ... it's time to get smart and get real about what we're up against...
These two sentences demonstrate the error in the way the west thinks of islamic countries. The German's at least had a civilized foundation ...though they made a big mistake with Hitler.
The foundation of muslim society is islam, sharia, the koran, and the prophet. They can never recognized their error because it (their error) is the very underpinning of their world.
Why all the hand-wringing?
Now the Palestinians have created a government engaged in STATE-SPONSORED TERRORISM.
Uh, I think we know what to do with that should the need arise.
This development actually makes things easier, clearer and without ambiguity. We know have an offical enemy, not some amphorous political movement.
So cut off aid, or whatever else you want to do to try to reform naughty nations, but if they threaten you, THE EAGLE FLIES. It's not hard. And, as I said, it's much easier now that the PA has taken their terrorism from street gang to official government policy.
oops - a "know" = now
Thank you --- I have been posting similiarly on these threads.
I agree! I hope the President and Condi and the entire administration realize it is time to go back to the drawing board.
This time they need to clearly define the enemy and come up with a real strategy for defeating it...no matter how politically unpalatable and un-PC it is.
Better to have a real solution that seems brutish and harsh than a politically attractive one that just doesn't work.
Bump to that.
Many people on FR, for a long time now, have been saying the democracy is NOT the antidote to fundamental islam. Such people are not wringing their hands so much as celebrating a Pyrrhic victory. The hamas election and the parlimentary wins by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt point out that the Administration and all like-minded governments in the world need to go back to the drawing board and be honest with themselves about who the enemy is and how to defeat it.
Islam declared this war almost 1,400 years ago against the non-islamic world. Our enemy is not radical islam but just plain islam (as practiced by devout muslim). As Pipes says, democracy of the western variety can never take hold in the islamic world. Islam must first be uprooted.
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