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Fox's Whitney: Hillary Clinton is "doomed" in '08 after "plantation" comment
January 23, 2006

Posted on 01/23/2006 11:46:24 PM PST by John Lenin

Transcript of Fox News' Cavuto on Business show with Meredith Whitney and Herman Cain, January 21, 2006

NEIL CAVUTO (host): All right, we're back to go "On the Spot." Meredith, my friend, what have you got?

WHITNEY: It will take more than a village to get Hillary Clinton elected in '08 after her comments on the plantation. She's doomed.

CAVUTO: So the charge that Republicans ran Congress like a plantation, you think, hurts her?

WHITNEY: Yeah. Offended just about everyone.

CAVUTO: Maybe she's galvanizing, do you think she could be galvanizing her base?

WHITNEY: Well, she galvanized blacks, she galvanized me, a lady, and she, I mean, it's -- it's going to be tough sledding for her.

CAVUTO: All right. Herman Cain?

CAIN: Martin Luther King Jr. day, birthday celebration, is supposed to be about unity. She took a play right out of the Democratic playbook, which was when you want to pander to the African Americans, you race-bait. And I happen to think that in 2006 as well as 2008, she's going to discover, along with a lot of other Democrats, that a lot of us have already left the Democratic plantation. And you know what I mean.


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1 posted on 01/23/2006 11:46:26 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

Who is Meredith Whitney? Is she a reporter or politician? (I just want to consider the source.) Thanks.


2 posted on 01/23/2006 11:49:55 PM PST by inkling
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To: inkling

3 posted on 01/23/2006 11:52:04 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: inkling

News analyst


4 posted on 01/23/2006 11:52:38 PM PST by skr ("That book [Bible], sir, is the rock on which our republic rests."--Andrew Jackson)
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To: inkling

She is a Fox news analyst.


5 posted on 01/23/2006 11:53:31 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: inkling
Who is Meredith Whitney? Is she a reporter or politician? (I just want to consider the source.)

Wrong strategy. Evaluate the message, not the source.

6 posted on 01/23/2006 11:53:46 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: John Lenin

Unfortunately, as reprehensible as the "plantation" race-baiting was, it didn't doom Hillary Gollum Clinton.


7 posted on 01/23/2006 11:56:40 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: NutCrackerBoy

Maybe not in the Senate race but it sure didn't help for 2008.


8 posted on 01/23/2006 11:57:42 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
It takes a Village Idiot to make such a blatant blunder.

The plantation remark was not her worst of that day but rather the sentence that came after.

"And YOU know what I am talking about!"
9 posted on 01/23/2006 11:58:15 PM PST by msnimje (http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/index.html . FREEP THIS HOURLY!)
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To: adamsjas

If a Dem is turning on Hillery, it is more powerful than if a GOP-er does. Of course conservatives don't like her... that isn't news. But if Dems are ticked, that is very good news.


10 posted on 01/23/2006 11:59:26 PM PST by inkling
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To: msnimje
"And YOU know what I am talking about!"

Yeah, that reminded me of Ross Perot's appearance at the NAACP when he kept calling attendees "you people".

11 posted on 01/24/2006 12:00:28 AM PST by inkling
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To: NutCrackerBoy; John Lenin
Unfortunately, as reprehensible as the "plantation" race-baiting was, it didn't doom Hillary Gollum Clinton.

Correct. It's not as if she were a Republican, in which case it would doom her candidacy. DemocRATS get a free pass to say delusional, crazy, or racist comments in order to help them with particular voting blocks.

12 posted on 01/24/2006 12:06:02 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Happy New Year!)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

I think she was doomed that day but not for the plantation remark, the Barrett report may have sealed her fate.


13 posted on 01/24/2006 12:17:34 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

Must we wait for '08? I would like to see her tossed out this year, early as possible, and I would like to see John Spencer as NY senator. He was my mayor and, from what I know, he is a true blue conservative. Let Hillary be an "elder statesman" before the year is out; it probably won't happen, but we can always hope.


14 posted on 01/24/2006 12:18:27 AM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Unfortunately, as reprehensible as the "plantation" race-baiting was, it didn't doom Hillary Gollum Clinton.

It definatly hurt her.

I thought it was just outright offensive, but alot of folks think it was just shameless pandering (and condecending), or "talking down to".

It pleased the white activist part of the democratic base, but alot of african americans didn't like the idea (as they see it) of folks who are wealthy white congressmen somehow being equated as living in slavery.

FWIW, One democrat I know who knew folks who were there, said that if he media reported the entire context of the statement, it would probably doom her and show that she isn't even ready for "primetime".

She used that statement after someone asked her a question about the democrats getting tougher and what was going on with them in congress (another lefty), and she froze, panicked, and made her plantation comment.

15 posted on 01/24/2006 12:21:54 AM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: John Lenin; Mia T

Only a "news analyst" would have believed Mrs Hilary Lizard Brain Cli'ton had any chance, west of the Hudson, of being erected to office more influential than Kansas City Missouri dogcatcher, on a low turnout day, maybe, BEFORE she grabbed at yet another opportunity to demonstrate her existential bigotry to the world and her organic appeal to the Bell Curve lumpen.

To the "Democrats'" base, that is.

BUMPping


16 posted on 01/24/2006 12:24:39 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: Paleo Conservative
DemocRATS get a free pass to say delusional, crazy, or racist comments in order to help them with particular voting blocks.

yea, but it didn't help her with this block.

They saw it for what it was, she panicked, couldn't answer a question, and made the plantation remark trying to (and failing) to get a cheap pop.

African Americans, didn't like it, and she is ALOT less popular then her husband is with them.

She has the Clinton name, but when it comes to african americans, she doesn't have a clue, her husband knew how to work a crowd, she just panicks and freaks out.

17 posted on 01/24/2006 12:24:56 AM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: John Lenin

This is actually good news for Democrats, if they can get rid of Hillary they might have a chance to win.

She knows she has a problem with black voters, thats why she said it. It was an incredibly stupid thing to say though, it was so obviously politically motivated. It wasn't racist really, its more that it was a insult to people's intelligence, especially blacks.

I don't think its fatal, but it shows how poor a politician she really is. She may end up getting trounced in the primaries by someone like Mark Warner.


18 posted on 01/24/2006 12:27:27 AM PST by OmegaMan
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To: John Lenin

I hate to say it, but Americans have a short memory.


19 posted on 01/24/2006 12:27:37 AM PST by AlGone2001 (He's not a baby anymore...)
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To: John Lenin

Listen to her yell with her abrasive voice, look at the cold gleam in her eyes, see how little she really cares about anyone or anything by her changes in opinions and rhetoric..Those are what "doom" her, along with the fact a LOT of Dems are going to be gunning for her to get the nomination themselves and she and her "husband" have given them a great deal of ammo just with past words and actions!!


20 posted on 01/24/2006 12:28:19 AM PST by BonnieJ
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To: NutCrackerBoy
As long as a segment of the American public sees the government as a means of legally stealing the goods of the productive to give over to the congenitally idiotic, Hillary will remain in power.
21 posted on 01/24/2006 12:30:13 AM PST by ashtanga
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To: John Lenin

Check out Shelby Steele's op ed in the Wall Street Journal yesterday on this same issue. He DESTROYS her, and says much the same thing.


22 posted on 01/24/2006 12:31:41 AM PST by LS
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To: AlGone2001

I love to say it, the Barrett report is worse than the 900 FBI files the beast holds in her secret vault. If you what I mean ...


23 posted on 01/24/2006 12:31:51 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: Brian Allen

"BEFORE she grabbed at yet another opportunity to demonstrate her existential bigotry to the world and her organic appeal to the Bell Curve lumpen."

"And YOU know what I am talking about!"

The greatest single advantage the Republican Party has in the foreseeable future is that people like this are the competition.


24 posted on 01/24/2006 12:32:09 AM PST by charrisGOP (Harri Anne Smith For Governor of Alabama...)
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To: Sonny M; NutCrackerBoy

<< I thought it was just outright offensive ... >>

But missed its real importance.

Which was that it demonstrated just how f*****g [Freaking?] dumb she is.

The moment she gets a 32nd of an inch from the script every sound from her mouth is moronic, assinine, infantile, catty, ridiculous, mean-spirited, condescending, supercilious, pontificating, vapid, just plain downright stupid, is demonstrative of her self-loathing and insecurity -- and/or is a combination of all of the above.


25 posted on 01/24/2006 12:32:35 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: msnimje

Shelby Steele said in the WSJ that it was neither the specific comment nor what came next, but her utter falseness that absolutely DID NOT CLICK with the black audience. I guess there was barely any applause, more like nervous silence! He said (WSJ, 1/23) that unlike Bill, who could present himself as actually empathizing with the "oppressed," Hillary came across as rubbing their noses in their weakness, and they did NOT like it.


26 posted on 01/24/2006 12:33:43 AM PST by LS
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To: marsh_of_mists

I wish Hillary no ill, but I'd like her to receive her just reward: becoming a real estate agent in Arkansas, or perhaps running a used car dealership in Alabama.


27 posted on 01/24/2006 12:34:02 AM PST by ashtanga
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To: adamsjas

She married WWE Smackdown's John Bradshaw Leyfield (who is also a financial analyst) early last year.


28 posted on 01/24/2006 12:39:37 AM PST by flair2000
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To: ashtanga; NutCrackerBoy

<< As long as a segment of the American public sees the government as a means of legally stealing the goods of the productive to give over to the congenitally idiotic ... >>

Such of the congenitally-idiotic, that is, as California cotton growers, Wisconsin milk farmers, Iowa corngrowers, ADM, Ford, General Motors, United, American and US Airlines, the railroad and every other gummint-guaranteed pensioners, student loan debtors, the entire feral bureacracy and its every lying, looting, thieving, cheating "contractor" - and every other damned dole and handout recipient and member of the US feral gummint's new welfare rich!


29 posted on 01/24/2006 12:45:35 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: John Lenin

Political reporters who have no real journalistic skills need a presidential candidate to talk about between elections. They've chosen Hillary as the Gary "Monkey Shines" Hart of 2008. You remember how he self destructed leaving the Democrats with Michael Dukakis. Hillary is an old Goldwater supporter who with a tendency shoot herself in the foot like Goldwater did on occasion.

If Democrats weren't such donkeys they would encourage her to go home and bake cookies. Democrats still haven't figured out that the Clintons were the biggest disaster to afflict the Democratic party since the Civil War. when the Clintons moved into the White HOuse Democrats had controlled Congress with only very limited interruptions for 60 years. They promptly lost control to the Republicans two years later with Hillary's health care proposal being part of the cause.

Hillary Clinton is the best thing the Republicans have going for them in 2008 and should encourage her candidacy.


30 posted on 01/24/2006 12:46:20 AM PST by reasonmclucus (solving problems requires precise knowledge of the cause and nature of the problem.)
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To: John Lenin
I doubt if the typical voter who is apt to vote DemonRAT is even paying attention to the blunders of Hitlary. For many of them the only thing that would raise their ire would be for their favorite night club to raise their cover charge.

And too many voters use the voting process as a means to atone for their lack of citizenship. By voting DemonRAT, one makes a vote they think will keep government in the business of the nanny state.

And who would make the perfect figurehead for that government arch-nanny than Hitlary?
31 posted on 01/24/2006 12:49:44 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: jonrick46

The GOP can buy votes too, it's called tax cuts.


32 posted on 01/24/2006 12:58:52 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
Sadly this is wishful thinking.
33 posted on 01/24/2006 1:00:02 AM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: charrisGOP

<< The greatest single advantage the Republican Party has in the foreseeable future is that people like this are the competition. >>

To such awful career seat-warmers, morons, idiots, RINOs and bums as John McCain, Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, Trent Lott, Lincoln Chaffee, David Drier and Duke Cunningham?

We should celebrate that hundreds like them and their feral and state ilk are on "our side?"

Bah! Humbug!

I'll keep praying and working for term limits. Our republic's only chance of surviving liberalism's obsessive-compulsive, unrelenting and destructive attack.


34 posted on 01/24/2006 1:05:59 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: jecIIny

I hope the RATS are stupid enough to nominate her in 08.The Swift Boat campaign will look like childs play.


35 posted on 01/24/2006 1:07:37 AM PST by John Lenin (I came from a real tough neighborhood. I bought a waterbed and found a guy at the bottom of it.)
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To: John Lenin
I am originally from New York. All I can tell you is that 6 yrs ago I said "I pray every day that they nominate Hillary to run for the Senate. Not even the people of New York are dumb enough to elect her." Words of wisdom my friend... be careful what you ask for because you might get it. I am not saying she will win if she runs in 08. But I AM saying the political graveyard is overflowing with people who underestimated this woman.
36 posted on 01/24/2006 1:14:23 AM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: jecIIny
political graveyard is overflowing with people who underestimated this woman.

You are talking about her husband. She doesn't have half the political savy as Bill and is a real divider.
37 posted on 01/24/2006 1:20:47 AM PST by John Lenin (I came from a real tough neighborhood. I bought a waterbed and found a guy at the bottom of it.)
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To: John Lenin

This is too small to "doom" her. The MSM will cover this up with all deliberate speed. It does prove, however, that she is politically tone-deaf and that much bigger mistakes are in her future. Inevitable. She's going to make such and ass of herself that no amount of MSM machinations and coverups will allow her to look good. She won't be looking good at the end of a national campaign. I am confident of that.


38 posted on 01/24/2006 1:21:15 AM PST by samtheman
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To: John Lenin
Some voters consider tax cuts as being allowed to have more of their own money. Other voters consider tax cuts as being allowed to have more of the government's money. It's the latter we should be concerned about.
39 posted on 01/24/2006 1:25:39 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: LS; nopardons; onyx
Shelby Steele said in the WSJ that it was neither the specific comment nor what came next, but her utter falseness that absolutely DID NOT CLICK with the black audience. I guess there was barely any applause, more like nervous silence! He said (WSJ, 1/23) that unlike Bill, who could present himself as actually empathizing with the "oppressed," Hillary came across as rubbing their noses in their weakness, and they did NOT like it.

It seems Hillary is a controlled smile and eye contact with the crowd for like 20 secs......then the Angry Biatch kicks in until closing.
I think she scares Dems ......they'll be prostrating and supplicating at Al Gore's feet for run in 2008
That is......if they can get him out of the Bhuddist Temple : )

40 posted on 01/24/2006 1:29:21 AM PST by Light Speed
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To: John Lenin
"You are talking about her husband. She doesn't have half the political savy as Bill and is a real divider."

I think she was the brains in that unholy alliance. Bill was more charismatic. But she is sharp and she knows how to get down in a bare knuckles political brawl. Like I said. I am not gonna predict she will win. But I would not put money on her loosing either.
41 posted on 01/24/2006 1:29:30 AM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Unfortunately, as reprehensible as the "plantation" race-baiting was, it didn't doom Hillary Gollum Clinton.

Not in New York, but out in the red states, she was already hated, this latest foray into stupidity only cemented that hatred.

The longer the Democrats stay silent on this issue, the more it just exacerbates the whole problem of their backward momentum toward irrelevancy.

The Democrats think they're entitled to power, but that belief is so cockeyed, it's laughable.

42 posted on 01/24/2006 1:33:09 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: BonnieJ
Listen to her yell with her abrasive voice, look at the cold gleam in her eyes, see how little she really cares about anyone or anything by her changes in opinions and rhetoric.

She's the spawn of Beezle-Bubba.

43 posted on 01/24/2006 1:34:10 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: Sonny M
I thought it was just outright offensive

The fact that she went out and said it anyway, just shows how dense she is.

44 posted on 01/24/2006 1:35:31 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: jecIIny
How smart was it to offend blacks on MLK day? You are deluded pal.
45 posted on 01/24/2006 1:37:32 AM PST by John Lenin (I came from a real tough neighborhood. I bought a waterbed and found a guy at the bottom of it.)
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To: reasonmclucus
Political reporters who have no real journalistic skills need a presidential candidate to talk about between elections. They've chosen Hillary as the Gary "Monkey Shines" Hart of 2008.

Yeah? Here's a bit of news. Reporters in the media today have a credibility level lower than whale dung.

Beyond that, the viewers are smarter than the average reporter.

Journalism is nothing more than entertainment. There's no intrinsic value in being a reporter, other than to stand in front of the microphone and tell your viewers what to think. There's no objectivity in the media today.

46 posted on 01/24/2006 1:40:27 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: reasonmclucus

One other thing, it was "Monkey Business", not "Monkey Shines". Gary Hart for all intents and purposes should go pound sand. He no smarter than ex-Governor Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown.


47 posted on 01/24/2006 1:42:33 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: John Lenin
"How smart was it to offend blacks on MLK day? You are deluded pal."

What blacks did she offend? The Black Republicans? I did not see a single black outside of our party criticize her for those comments. And I saw an awful lot shout praise to her. I hope your right friend. I really really do.
48 posted on 01/24/2006 1:42:46 AM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: jecIIny
I think she was the brains in that unholy alliance.

I disagree. She only became the brains because she sat on national TV during a 60 Minutes interview telling everyone she wasn't going to sit around baking cookies, then her first act of stupidity was to trot out the idea of socialized healthcare which punctured the wheels of Bill Clinton's presidency for the next 8 years.

49 posted on 01/24/2006 1:46:49 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: jecIIny
I did not see a single black outside of our party criticize her for those comments. And I saw an awful lot shout praise to her.

They're conditioned not to criticize anyone in their own party. That's what is lacking in the Democrat party. Blacks in the Democrat party just go along and tow the party line, regardless of who says what.

50 posted on 01/24/2006 1:48:48 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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