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CA: It's a fee. No wait, it's a tax. Actually ...
Stockton Record ^ | Jan 23, 2006 | Hank Shaw

Posted on 01/23/2006 10:51:36 AM PST by calcowgirl

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To: detsaoT

Mexico never "conquered" California, so it could not be "reconquered". The administration of the California land grants were handed to Mexico by Spain by default. During the Bear Flag revolt, prior to the Gold Rush, Mexican rule was defeated.


21 posted on 01/24/2006 12:02:07 PM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: tertiary01
Mexico never "conquered" California, so it could not be "reconquered". The administration of the California land grants were handed to Mexico by Spain by default. During the Bear Flag revolt, prior to the Gold Rush, Mexican rule was defeated.

My inference being, I can't wait until Mexico conquers California from the United States, so Californians can finally get what they bloody deserve. Oh, and so we Virginians no longer have to worry about hearing silly articles like this one ever again. ;)

In other words, a tongue-in-cheek comment, my friend.

22 posted on 01/24/2006 12:08:51 PM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: Wolfstar
That was about my experience, too, although I didn't try on FR to motivate anyone but do remember reading over some forums here before registering much later, and the forums I saw were pretty rough.

I am thinking that this is what the CA social environment has reduced to lately is that we have conservatives who have remained stoic and faithful to ideals and then there are Republicans who are largely evidenced as actual Libertarians, and then there are liberals who always vote as Democrats due to union and social group influences, or, they vote for the communist party (many do, I was surprised to read about it) (this is tedious and preposterous reading, but I note that to communists, Schwarzenegger represents "the extreme right" -- which is part of the social problem in CA and a few other areas on the globe). So, on the left, there's a push-pull grapple between "pro union" votes and "agricultural workers" (which means, "illegal aliens") as to satisfying interests.

Yet, Schwarzenegger actually made a publicity stop, complete with articles and photos and quotes used in the wire services, by stopping in the L.A. garment district and talking with illegal aliens, assuring them he was concerned with "worker conditions" and that they no worries, moreorless, as to their illegal status. A governor, reassuring people who are identified as being illegal! Remarkably bad. I don't know as to what Davis would have done (perhaps no press but still the tour, I just can't say) but the "alternate governor" choice was proven completely wrong to my view with that conclusive usery by Schwarzenegger. I don't know what else he could possibly do in office that would insult conservatives in the state, and it does seem he's stuck conservatives in the eye after he got to Sacramento. Which was about what I THOUGHT he'd do, when the Recall was being pushed through.

The CA GOP is just not responding to conservatives. They are not representing conservatives in the state. What and who "conservatives" are in CA is probably more the issue here because even Schwarzenegger attends Mass as a Catholic but you'd never know he's affiliated based upon his behavior. Certainly this indicates a triumph of liberal culture as opposed to (conservative and otherwise) values and beliefs.

The BEST I can offer about the CA GOP as of this date is that they are attemping to modify the state politic by increments. And that Schwarzenegger is one increment to the center from the liberal left.

23 posted on 01/24/2006 12:13:35 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Wolfstar

Now that I think back over it, I believe what Schwarzenegger announced as to the concerns that caused his tour of the L.A. garment district was the "underground economy" present among illegal aliens who are in the state working there and elsewhere. So, thus, it still translates to "conditions" as how I remembered that from about a year ago.


24 posted on 01/24/2006 12:15:53 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: detsaoT

From the Land of Free Republic me still thinks you need to get your facts straight.


25 posted on 01/24/2006 12:16:26 PM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: tertiary01

Are you still taking me seriously? Or do you actually enjoy living in that over-regulated nightmare of a state?


26 posted on 01/24/2006 12:19:18 PM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: detsaoT

I prefer to think that communists belong in Mexico and that the last one of them to leave California, which is a part of the U.S.A., can please pay their substantial bill when they do.

Problem with socialists is that they always rely on someone else to pay their expenses. CA at one time was just a huge basket of goodies all ripe for the consumation by hungry communists and after arriving, they've used the ripe conditions to grow more of them. Now that the state has changed, as all pyramid schemes do narrow as they reach maximum exploitation, they're having to resort to the inevitable higher taxation and catering to the upper crust among the wealthiest to keep them here and speaking on behalf of the marvelous worth of communists who are so *nice* to them. Thus, we have Oprah in Santa Barbara and Spielberg and Striesand and Geffen in Malibu and Al Gore now in S.F. with his media and "financials" going, but it's all just a tiny, tiny number of superior wealth that is now spokesperson for failed ideology (communism, socialism) that is doomed by design to fail. Not everyone can tend the lawns of these people's homes or answer their phone calls or cook their meals...

It's a huge problem in CA and elsewhere, unfortunately, but it's the same problem and that is capitalism versus socialism. In CA, unfortunately, it's become a place overrun with "workers" accustomed to being taken care of by the big mother of government, not by free enterprise.


27 posted on 01/24/2006 12:24:59 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: detsaoT

Some of us didn't see the humor there, obviously. I know I missed it.

~;-]


28 posted on 01/24/2006 12:26:37 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: detsaoT

One pays a price for everything, I love the climate and the diversified topography.

There are those in California, which I believe still rates up in the top ten world economies, that are trying to make a stand so that articles of this sort don't eventually come from your state. Spreading falsehoods uses up energy that we could be using more productively.

California is temporarily in the dump due in no small part to ex east coasters that have set up political shop here. If you are going to give up a state to a foreign country, really California should not be your first choice.


29 posted on 01/24/2006 12:27:21 PM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: MillerCreek
I couldn't agree with you more.

Unfortunately, the American communists, who have voted over the past 60 years to create the byzantine state monoliths which are absolutely ruining states such as California and Massachussetts, have a tendency instead move to other, VERY healthy states in the Nation (such as the formerly conservative Colorado, and my formerly conservative Virginia), and then proceed to vote for the EXACT SAME regulations and retarded policies which have RUINED the states they moved from. The net result is that these "Blue state expats," for the most part, are spreading their own little Soviet empire, one state at a time.

Yet, all this time, they scratch their heads and wonder why companies are running from their little Soviet paradises.

I wish there were some way that we could siphon these liberals into a more ... productive ... use of their time, but sadly, I don't think they'd be happy any longer with the state of affairs in the Great White North. ;)

30 posted on 01/24/2006 12:31:56 PM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: MillerCreek
Some of us didn't see the humor there, obviously. I know I missed it.

Hehehe, sorry about that. I do have a tendency to be a bit subtle. (And, as my followup post shows, I am being half serious. But it's only half, and I certainly don't mean to disparage or otherwise sully any of you honorable West Coast Freepers!)

31 posted on 01/24/2006 12:33:40 PM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: tertiary01
One pays a price for everything, I love the climate and the diversified topography. There are those in California, which I believe still rates up in the top ten world economies, that are trying to make a stand so that articles of this sort don't eventually come from your state. Spreading falsehoods uses up energy that we could be using more productively. California is temporarily in the dump due in no small part to ex east coasters that have set up political shop here. If you are going to give up a state to a foreign country, really California should not be your first choice.

There is a price for everything, of course. But, be it as it may, I would beg to suggest that Berkeley, Los Angeles, and San Francisco are of absolutely no fault of any East-coasters. Those are purely Californian creations, I'd suggest. (Ok, at least, we Virginians didn't create those particular problems... Can't say the same for some of our more Northern neighbors.)

And, of course, you are absolutely correct- California is NOT my first choice. That honor can only belong to a more deserving state.

(Oh, and keep in mind, I am still being light-hearted about the whole matter. I'm not seriously suggesting anything by this.)

32 posted on 01/24/2006 12:39:29 PM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: detsaoT
I can't wait until Mexico re-conquers California, so we never have to hear this garbage again.

Then it won't be a tax.

It won't be a fee either.

It will be called "la mordida."

33 posted on 01/24/2006 12:41:59 PM PST by drlevy88
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Then it won't be a tax. It won't be a fee either. It will be called "la mordida."

Is that Mexican for "bribe"? That would probably make more sense than the Assembly's silliness. ;)

34 posted on 01/24/2006 12:42:40 PM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: calcowgirl

you're not taxed you're feeed


35 posted on 01/24/2006 12:43:07 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: detsaoT
I would beg to suggest that Berkeley, Los Angeles, and San Francisco are of absolutely no fault of any East-coasters. Those are purely Californian creations, I'd suggest.

I don't know about that. Everywhere you go in California especially in the urban areas, you meet those originally from the east coast. I believe that close to fifty percent of state citizens are originally from out of state. Someone in those locales voted for east coasters Pelosi, Boxer and ex gov Grey Davis, just to name a few.

36 posted on 01/24/2006 1:14:08 PM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: tertiary01
I don't know about that. Everywhere you go in California especially in the urban areas, you meet those originally from the east coast. I believe that close to fifty percent of state citizens are originally from out of state. Someone in those locales voted for east coasters Pelosi, Boxer and ex gov Grey Davis, just to name a few.

I reckon that means that we're busy shipping all of our dreck back and forth between the coasts here in the US. At least it's productive for SOMEbody. ;););)

37 posted on 01/24/2006 1:18:11 PM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: detsaoT

Actually, most of the "liberal" in CA originated in New York and Boston.

MOST of the urbanity that is L.A. today and almost ALL of San Francisco, and Santa Barbara...it's all people from New York and upper East Coast. San Francisco is nearly all people from nearly everywhere else but almost all of that urban in origin and mostly all of that homosexual.

A lot of the one and two generation Californian hippy types have long since moved to Oregon, Washington coast and Canada.

The rest are immigrants mostly from Mexico and Central America and urbanites having moved from New York area.

The people, generally, who are long-timey generations of Californians, such as that may be, live inland, mostly Northern and Central CA, inland, mountains and deserts.


38 posted on 01/24/2006 3:34:00 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: detsaoT

Californians are not by nature and area liberal. The liberal element is all from the East Coast and homosexuals and students and immigrants.

Two generations ago, California was mostly characterised by Roy Rogers, John Wayne and Lassie. Ranches, western style places, coastal life and cocktail hours. That was about it.

All the hippie stuff was definitely transplanted people from elsewhere and the present day nuttiness as to liberalism did not originate in the state but back East, transplanted to CA by way of the University system and runover and illegal aliens. It still is perpetuated by mostly that same element.


39 posted on 01/24/2006 3:37:04 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: MillerCreek
Can we at least find a way to distinguish between "Massachussetts" or "New York" east-coasters, and Virginian east-coasters, please? I don't think your problems originated with my fair state, even though it is firmly planted on the Right coast. ;)

But I do hear ya. Just like with any other states, the liberals saw something that looked successful, and have been moving in to ruin it. Unfortunately, they're a generation deep in Cali now, so they're starting to spread out to other formerly-Conservative states, such as Colorado, Arizona, and Nevada. Go figure.

40 posted on 01/25/2006 6:16:52 AM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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