North American Cooperative Security Act

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[Ben Ficklin]

Which takes us back to the demographic/economic reality that is well stated in the article that I linked you to. Big and emerging markets versus mature and shrinking markets, and how that relates to immigration and trade policies.

As you are accurately concerned and worried about, and as the Roadmap to the 21st Century predicts, borders are going to bend and there will be threats to national sovereignty but borders and sovereignty will prevail. OTOH, the only other options, those that you advocate, leads to a withering of the economy which results in a loss of equity. A certain destruction of the nation.

You are correct about the unions and McK but you are ignoring the unions opposition to guest workers/the Bush Plan.

Your, and many other's, problem is that your knowledge and perception on this issue is short-lived. The long-running debate is the pubs wanting temporary visas and the dems wanting permenant visas. You can trace this back to the Braceros and LBJ killing that program to benefit the unions. This was followed by the creation of the union with no members(UFW) and how the dems were able to prevent the expansion and evolvement of the H2A and H2B.

Your also ignoring who holds the power in Congress. Twenty years ago it was the Senate republicans telling Reagan that this was the best deal that they could negotiate so just shut up and sign it.

Then the power began to shift in the 90s and although the pubs could not prevail, they were willing to walk away from the table on the correct assumption that their power would further expand in the near future and they would soon be able to dictate to the dems. In the meantime the illegals would take up the slack.

But what the pubs didn't percieve was the split. That hairline crack that occurred in 99 is now big enough to drive a truck thru. Consequently, the dems still hold the power. You can rant all you wantabout the Bush Plan but it is still DOA.

[hedgetrimmer]

leads to a withering of the economy which results in a loss of equity

The nation is losing its equity due to "free trade", not the sound economic policies endorsed by our founding fathers. When American companies move almost all their functions offshore, the investment that happens with their profits happens OFFSHORE, not here. when American companies move almost all their functions offshore, the American people are still taxed to provide a military to protect those companies, even though we no longer receive the economic benefit from those companies.

Cisco systems, a fine example of an virtual American company that is now effectively a Chinese company. No matter what you claim about their stocks and profits, they are no longer investing the the American economy by constructing and running their facilities here, or hiring American workers. And yet the obligation the American people have to that corporation remains the same as if it were a domestic corporation.

[Ben Ficklin]

Cisco has a worldwide presence. If their only market were the US, they'd bellyup.

Think of the equity loss to the company and the stockholders.

[hedgetrimmer]

"What we are announcing today is the first of many steps we will take in research and development" in China, Chambers said.

"We believe in giving something back and truly becoming a Chinese company," Cisco Systems Inc. Chief Executive John Chambers said.

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Funny how Cisco wants to "give something back" to China, but snubs the American people. Without us Cisco's technical product development under secure property rights could not have been carried out to create the company.

[hedgetrimmer]

Think of the equity loss to the company and the stockholders.

Think of the equity loss to the American economy, without which Cisco could not have been created.

[hedgetrimmer]

How much cisco stuff can an chinese worker purchase who makes less than a dollar a day?

[hedgetrimmer]

The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America: Next Steps

[Just A Nobody]

Thanks!

[antceecee]

Pinging you just in case you haven't seen this one!

[La Enchiladita]

Thanks, CeeCee. I had a discussion with a CFR proponent on one of the other threads. I kicked his ass and he admitted it.

[antceecee]

I see you are wearing your ass-kickin boots this evenin' Miss La Dita!

[La Enchiladita]

I try not to... Really! Hee Hee

[antceecee]

Something like this??

[La Enchiladita]

I got sidelined for a sec. Those are ALL RIGHT!

I have one pair of Larry Mahan's that I LOVE...!

Red with black inlay... mmm,hmmm!

[TigersEye]

Thank you! BTTT

[Politicalmom]

Great. Then we don't need to bother with the Mexican border, right?

[antceecee]

Very welcome!

[Toddsterpatriot]

Great. Then we don't need to bother with the Mexican border, right?

Where would you get that idea?