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Does anybody fancy cracking open a carton of cabernet sauvignon? [French global warming alert]
scotsman.com ^ | Sun 1 Jan 2006 | WILLIAM LYONS

Posted on 01/03/2006 9:53:52 AM PST by quantim

WINE lovers still coming to terms with plastic corks and screw caps will be in for a shock when the latest packaging revolution hits dining room tables later this month.

In an unusual departure for the home of fine wine, one of France's top producers is to replace traditional glass bottles with cardboard and plastic cartons normally associated with milk and fruit juice.

Burgundy-based producer Boisset says the controversial packaging will help preserve the quality of its wines as well as appeal to environmentally-conscious drinkers.

Boisset president Jean-Charles Boisset said: "We wanted to be innovative with quality, in a way that was good for the planet. We do everything we can to respect the soil and the vines, but it never went as far as the packaging.

"We want to take a serious approach to global warming. We decided to eliminate the cork, paper and glass, and look at a new format."

Traditionally more commercial, cheap wine has been sold in boxes but Boisset's departure is notable in that it will supply wine costing up to £10 a bottle including established varieties such as pinot noir, cabernet sauvignon, merlot and chardonnay.

Lab analysis by Boisset shows that the Tetra Pak wine will keep fresh for three to four days in the fridge. The company says the eco-friendly containers use 90% less packaging than wine bottles and take up one third less space during transportation.

The cartons also provide 100% protection from ultra-violet light which can damage wine.

Philip Larue, the Scottish director of Friarwood fine wine merchants, said he didn't feel the British market was ready to ditch the wine bottle.

"Putting wine in any sort of box has a very bad image in the UK in terms of quality of wine," he said.

"Wine is all about romance and occasion. To some extent presentation is as important as the quality of the liquid that is in the bottle. Can you imagine if you have a guest coming to dinner and you serve them wine in a plastic carton?

I am not so sure it will be the next big thing."

Britain is fast becoming a nation of sophisticated wine drinkers. Research conducted by Vinexpo, the world's largest wine fair, predicts that by 2008 the UK will have matured into Europe's largest wine market, overtaking France, Germany and Italy. More people than ever are buying fine wines - typically, those that cost more that £8 a bottle and are worth laying down - but the annual cost to consumers and the industry of corked bottles is estimated at £340m.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: france; globalwarminghoax; oenology; wine
Target rich article.
1 posted on 01/03/2006 9:53:53 AM PST by quantim
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To: NautiNurse; andrew2527; AnAmericanMother; A Jovial Cad; Awgie; babaloo; Betis70; Bigturbowski; ...
Click to be added or removed on this low volume list. (Over 100 members).

Wine news ping.

2 posted on 01/03/2006 9:56:02 AM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: quantim

If I were not boycotting French wines, I'd be appalled.


3 posted on 01/03/2006 9:56:07 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: quantim

How do you cork a carton?


4 posted on 01/03/2006 9:56:27 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: quantim

Who keep Cab in the fridge ?


5 posted on 01/03/2006 9:56:56 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: quantim

buy Australian!


6 posted on 01/03/2006 10:00:44 AM PST by Archytekt
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To: quantim
Boisset is taking its Tetra Pak wines upmarket as a result of its Canadian success.

The Burgundy-based producer, which makes wine in the south of France as well as Rhone, and California, sells four wines – called French Rabbit – in state-of-the-art Tetra Prisma packaging in Canada, and launches the same range in the UK in January.

Considering the skunkiness of many Candian beers, this is not surprising.

7 posted on 01/03/2006 10:06:00 AM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: Semper Paratus

By inserting a small "sippy" like straw in the top of the TetraPak and a teeny, tiny cork on top of the sippy straw!


8 posted on 01/03/2006 10:06:31 AM PST by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - Freep Stuff & Pajama Patrol Stuff)
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To: quantim

Red wine is what I like best/ and Cabernet Sauvignon is my favorite red. Marcus James Cab http://www.google.com/search?q=%22marcus+james%22+wine&sa=N&revid=1618165262&qpos=0&oi=revisions_inline from Argentina is OK for me. Drop dead treacherous Froggies!


9 posted on 01/03/2006 10:07:17 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: Seeking the truth

I also guess getting the wine to 'breathe' is not an issue.


10 posted on 01/03/2006 10:08:13 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Archytekt

Has anyone tried the wines of Century Oak Vineyards? I understand it is owned by the family of Adam Housley of Fox News fame.


11 posted on 01/03/2006 10:09:07 AM PST by Quilla
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To: quantim
one of France's top producers is to replace traditional glass bottles with cardboard and plastic cartons normally associated with milk and fruit juice.

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Glass is preferable because it does not impart any taste to the wine. This "top producer" is clearly targeting those who have no taste buds.

12 posted on 01/03/2006 10:11:40 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
This "top producer" is clearly targeting those who have no taste buds.

I don't know. I've never had a good wine with an aftertaste redolent of a Maine paper mill.

13 posted on 01/03/2006 10:13:30 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: quantim

Carton wine is okay; my wife picked some up for a party and it was good, at basically $2 per bottle it was great. Australian wine is so so; my order for reds would be Calif Napa, France and Chile


14 posted on 01/03/2006 10:13:33 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: All

We buy California wines, Australian wines, and we make our own. We have some Cabernet in the works right now.


15 posted on 01/03/2006 10:17:18 AM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: Semper Paratus
I've never had a good wine with an aftertaste redolent of a Maine paper mill.

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I should have said "This "top producer" is clearly targeting those who live in towns such as Lincoln, ME.

Is there any smell quite like it?

16 posted on 01/03/2006 10:19:09 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Is there any smell quite like it?

The smell that populated Florida!

17 posted on 01/03/2006 10:22:29 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Archytekt; quantim
Big day for wine news...

Wine surplus may see grape vines pulled out

Tuesday, 03/01/2006

Thousands of hectares of grape vines could be pulled out after this year's Australian vintage, to help combat the surplus of wine on the market.

The Wine Grape Growers Australia and the Winemakers Federation are proposing a 'vine retirement scheme' to remove the less popular varieties, such as cabernet.

Grape Growers chairman, Paul Clancy, says industry is meeting with the Federal Government next month to ask for a loan.

"The wine industry doesn't really favour government interference in its business and we're not asking for government handout and perhaps one of the ideas tossed around the government may be able to put up the funds up front to fund a retirement scheme and the industry pays it back overtime," he said.

The vine-pull is only one of the strategies being proposed by industry to government to solve the surplus.

18 posted on 01/03/2006 10:25:19 AM PST by NautiNurse (The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy - Ramsey Clark)
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To: quantim
The cartons also provide 100% protection from ultra-violet light which can damage wine.

And UV light can penetrate thick glass bottles??? I don't think so.

19 posted on 01/03/2006 10:26:46 AM PST by corkoman (Uncompassionate Conservative, (incompassionate?, non-compassionate?))
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To: Semper Paratus
I also guess getting the wine to 'breathe' is not an issue.

Oceans of wine flow down drain into French cars' fuel tanks  "The global glut of wine is now so huge that for the first time France is distilling some of its higher-rated wines into fuel. It is a painful proposition in a land where winemaking is a labour of love and the fruit of that labour is celebrated as much as any art.

France occasionally turns oceans of lowly table wines into vinegar and ethanol"

20 posted on 01/03/2006 10:28:07 AM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: corkoman
And UV light can penetrate thick glass bottles??? I don't think so.

It's possible...


21 posted on 01/03/2006 10:30:11 AM PST by NautiNurse (The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy - Ramsey Clark)
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To: NautiNurse
This vine-pull strategery may actually drive up the quality, therefore the price and profits.  Italy learned this years ago at great expense to the U.S. market when the quality got so poor the market share of Italian wine practically collapsed.

The glut of world-wide wine is obviously low-end bulk grape juice.  There is not enough quality wines being produced IMO around the world otherwise the prices wouldn't keep sky rocketing on the good labels.

22 posted on 01/03/2006 10:35:49 AM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: quantim

Throw in some poplar wood chips, a few dead pine borers, and a handful of deer and rabbit turds to give it authenticity.


23 posted on 01/03/2006 10:36:07 AM PST by sergeantdave (Member of the Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: quantim
French wines in a box?
Eh. They're all "box wines" anyway, so why not?
24 posted on 01/03/2006 10:36:46 AM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: NautiNurse

Once the RoP takes over France, the vines will come out of the ground there, too...Sharia Law says wine is a no-no.


25 posted on 01/03/2006 10:37:18 AM PST by Clioman
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To: quantim

"We want to take a serious approach to global warming. We decided to eliminate the cork, paper and glass, and look at a new format."

I would say that this has nothing to do with global warming. The only reason they are doing this is because paper and plastic are cheaper than glass and corks. More environmental hypocrisy.


26 posted on 01/03/2006 10:43:09 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: quantim

"Wine is all about romance and occasion. To some extent presentation is as important as the quality of the liquid that is in the bottle. Can you imagine if you have a guest coming to dinner and you serve them wine in a plastic carton?"

Gee, and I thought wine was about the taste and quality.

Silly, you don't serve it in a "plastic carton", you get out your good crystal decanter, decant the wine in the kitchen and bring it out to your guests with your good Riedel varietal glasses, they'll be impressed.


27 posted on 01/03/2006 11:05:45 AM PST by garyhope (Happy, healthy, prosperous New Year to all good Freepers and our brave military.)
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To: NautiNurse

I have another answer to the global wine surplus and glut. Lower the prices on a lot of the overpriced, pretentious plonk and watch the wine walk out of the stores.


28 posted on 01/03/2006 11:14:12 AM PST by garyhope (Happy, healthy, prosperous New Year to all good Freepers and our brave military.)
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To: garyhope
good Riedel varietal glasses,

Williams-Sonoma has on sale the coolest Riedel "O" series Bordeaux glasses for $10.


29 posted on 01/03/2006 11:28:45 AM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: dennisw

Personally, I prefer Zinfandel Port. Love to have a glass after dinner.


30 posted on 01/03/2006 11:33:27 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: quantim
O yes! Received the cab/merlot and chardonnay Reidel O glasses for Christmas. Way cool.
31 posted on 01/03/2006 11:48:42 AM PST by NautiNurse (The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy - Ramsey Clark)
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To: NautiNurse

Somebody likes you. ;-)

The Montrachet version or chardonnay?


32 posted on 01/03/2006 12:15:51 PM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: caver

bingo. I love when the French spin.


33 posted on 01/03/2006 12:46:56 PM PST by dervish (no excuses)
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To: quantim

The box says Chardonnay, but it is definitely the Montrachet round bowl. :o)


34 posted on 01/03/2006 12:58:43 PM PST by NautiNurse (The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy - Ramsey Clark)
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To: garyhope

I bought two Riedel glasses the other day - beautiful - and was surprised that they sport the name: tempted to scratch it off. Extraordinarily thin bowl, 1/8" thick stems and an exquisite ring.


35 posted on 01/03/2006 1:29:21 PM PST by txhurl (hook'em -)
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To: quantim
I enjoy an occasional carton of cabernet sauvignon.

36 posted on 01/03/2006 1:34:38 PM PST by evets (God bless president Bush!)
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To: quantim

Iraq is a UN mess that the French alone with their declared Veto intention shoved into the arms of The US and have been snickering about it every time one of our Brave Soldiers gets killed in Iraq.

DEEP SHAME on any jerk buying and drinking French wine!

I would drink toilet water before I drink french wine just so I could brag to them about how much better it was!


37 posted on 01/03/2006 1:44:26 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: NautiNurse

Oh Man is that Mad Dog?? Reminds me of my long past mispent youth while in New Orleans. Me and buds were standing on Canal yelling throw me sumpin mista just like the rest while savoring a vintage MD 20 wrapped in obligatory paper sack. I think my IQ dropped severely as a result of that night. Much prefer wines with a cork these days.


38 posted on 01/03/2006 3:33:47 PM PST by strongbow
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To: Archytekt
"Buy Australian!"

I'll 2nd that! I've never had a bad wine from Australia.

39 posted on 01/03/2006 3:59:09 PM PST by manwiththehands (The only thing worse than a crooked Democrat is a crooked Republican.)
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To: quantim
by 2008 the UK will have matured into Europe's largest wine market, overtaking France, Germany and Italy

That's all I need to know about the EU.

40 posted on 01/03/2006 6:48:09 PM PST by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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To: Just another Joe

Hello to another Zinfandel Port fan!


41 posted on 01/03/2006 6:51:48 PM PST by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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To: quantim

Must resist base impulses, must resist "fish in a barrel", must resist..., new year's resolutions, must not pick on frogs, ...m...u..s..t.. r...e..s..i..s..t...


42 posted on 01/03/2006 6:51:58 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound ("Si vis pacem, para bellum", If you wish peace, prepare for war.)
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To: quantim

Thanks Quantim, I've seen these Riedel glasses and I don't care for them all that much.

I still like my big stemware glasses from World Market for about $6.99 each. They're big and thin and somewhat "elegant" and at $6.99 I can afford to break them (which clumsy as I am, I do frequently) without feeling too guilty or giving myself a feeling of financial trauma.

I like having a lot of space for the wine to slosh around in. It just seems better and more fun.


43 posted on 01/04/2006 8:49:18 AM PST by garyhope (Happy, healthy, prosperous New Year to all good Freepers and our brave military.)
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To: garyhope

Breakage was such a problem at our home that I bought a case of $1.00 stemware from a discount kitchen store. That was a mistake because when they break, shrapnel goes into places that are hazardous to my health offsetting any good of consuming wine...


44 posted on 01/04/2006 3:47:45 PM PST by tubebender (You can't make Chicken Soup from Chicken Poop...)
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