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To: Spiff

I love how you exclude the parts of my argument that you can't defend against.

When you first engaged in your absurd attempt at demonizing a handful of Kwanzaa celebrants by comparing them to Nazis, you lost this argument. When you then tried claiming that they had no heritage, yet out of the other side if your mouth tried linking them to the situation in Africa in order to minimize the atrocities committed by the Nazis, you lost the respect of even those who may have supported you.

That's leftist media tactics.

President Bush is not bound to only say those things that you want him to say; he does not belong strictly to you, and becoming President doesn't mean that he is not at liberty to say whatever he wishes to say, for whatever reasons he wishes to.

If he said for the sake of political gain, he still had a right to say it...a right given to him by God, and not revoked by your vote.

You never understood freedom, and you never will.


203 posted on 12/31/2005 2:31:24 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I love how you exclude the parts of my argument that you can't defend against.

Wrong. And may I point out that you've excluded nearly every part of my posts except for the things that you believe you can twist and destort the easiest.

When you first engaged in your absurd attempt at demonizing a handful of Kwanzaa celebrants by comparing them to Nazis, you lost this argument. When you then tried claiming that they had no heritage, yet out of the other side if your mouth tried linking them to the situation in Africa in order to minimize the atrocities committed by the Nazis, you lost the respect of even those who may have supported you.

You need to work on your reading comprehension. I never compared Kwanzaa celebrants to Nazis. I compared the bloody and oppressive record of the African continenent over the last century with the record of the Nazis. I also compared the record of marxists/socialists/communists over the last century. My point, that obviously went right over your head, was that IF they were celebrating an "African" heritage, as they pretend to, then we must look at that actual heritage to see if it something that should ever be celebrated. Instead of addressing that point you destort what I said and try to say that I'm admiring and defending Nazis. You've proven yourself a liar given to gross distortions and someone who will call anyone and everyone they disagree with a racist and a bigot. You've done this repeatedly in this thread any many others. It is your only game and it is damned stupid.

President Bush is not bound to only say those things that you want him to say; he does not belong strictly to you, and becoming President doesn't mean that he is not at liberty to say whatever he wishes to say, for whatever reasons he wishes to.

I never said that he was bound to anything I said or that he wasn't at liberty to say whatever he wishes to say. You completely avoided my point earlier that if he had recognized a KKK or Nazi holiday, that it would have been inappropriate. You refused to say that it would, in fact, be appropriate so, using your previously displayed logic, one can only assume that you would approve of President Bush recognizing a KKK holiday or something similar. I could fill post after post with that accusation, as you have here directed towards me, but I know for a fact that even if you refuse to admit it and just so that you won't have to concede that point, you don't really believe that the President should recognize a KKK or Nazi holiday.

If he said for the sake of political gain, he still had a right to say it...a right given to him by God, and not revoked by your vote. You never understood freedom, and you never will.

See my previous point. He can say whatever he wants to say, but he can't avoid the political consequences of saying them. He is free to recognize a KKK holiday if he so desires, but he's going to get rightfully slammed for doing so. The same goes for his Kwanzaa declaration. The KKK wanted and still want a white nation and have resorted to violence to further their white supremacist agenda and the Founder of Kwanzaa and his gang wanted and still want a black nation and have resorted to violence to further their black supremacist goals. Yet I'm mostly certain that I would not find you on Free Republic defending the President's proclamation recognizing and lauding a KKK holiday. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there despite the lies and distortions you've stated about me and your refusal to similarly afford me the same courtesy.

204 posted on 12/31/2005 4:00:07 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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