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To: Luis Gonzalez
I answered your question quite clearly; yours is a logical fallacy because the people celebrating Kwanzaa are neither Nazis nor Klansmen, so the two do not compare.

The compare quite well. You just refuse to see it.

While the President is president of all Americans, Americans in general will not tolerate a holiday celebrated by people who advocate racial hatred and violence...Kawanza advocates neither, in spite of the actions of its "inventor", the celebration (not a holiday) is simply a celebration of heritage. So your objection to a Presidential remark to the celebrants of Kwanzaa is purely racially based, and motivated by some sort of basic problem within yourself.

First, the "heritage" celebrated by Kwanzaa is purely an invention. Second, it is, in fact, a holiday based upon racial hatred and violence. See my other post in this thread to Clara Lou which explains things that you may not be aware of. Finally, don't call me a racist. You've pulled that some crap in threads about border security and now you're pulling it here. The problem is within you wherein you're looking for a racist under every bed and in every closet and you seem to believe that everything boils down to race. The only racism going on here is that exercised by the inventor of Kwanzaa and those who observe it. What else is "black nationalism" except for raw racism? Please, get a clue and stop making such an ass of yourself.

These celebrants take nothing from you, they seek to take nothing from you, they force nothing on you, nor do they seek to force anything on you.

Neither would the KKK celebrants of the equally fictitious Klanzaa holiday but no one would let any President get away with recognizing that sort of holiday. Yet, there is no difference between the two. The KKK are white racist nationalists and the Kwanzaaites are black racist nationalists.

You have a problem.

No, you do. It is either willful ignorance or unreasonable denial. Go educate yourself on the subject and come back when you actually can demonstrate that you know something.

152 posted on 12/28/2005 9:21:28 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff
"...it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson

You are right, Nazis and Klansmen compare quite well to people whose worst crime is celebrating a made up holiday.

Not that anyone in this forum ever celebrates made up Holidays such as Mother's Day or Father's Day.

Will you be whining about President Bush wishing us a Happy Mother's or Father;s Day later this year?

"...is, in fact, a holiday based upon racial hatred and violence"i

Passover is a holiday based on the killing of all the first-born children of Egypt by God.

Purim, is a Holiday surrounded in death and murder.

Until the day that Kwanzaa celebrants, and not the nut jobs that you like holding up as representative of all the people who participate in this celebration, behave in a manner even closely resembling Nazis or Klansmen, Kwanzaa celebrants are simply Americans enjoying the freedom to celebrate whatever it is that they wish to celebrate.

You are a bigot, always have been.

Your broad-brushed generalizations of people based on religious beliefs, ethnicity,or race, and grounded on "examples" drawn from the lowest members of those religions, ethnicities or races, are well-known to all. Your participation in this unbelievably racist thread, your defense of the racist statements made in it via your failure to condemn them, paints a clear picture of who, and what, you are.

May God forgive you.

Matthew 7:1

193 posted on 12/30/2005 12:32:40 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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