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Man Who Used Hitler Oath On Voicemail Gets Prison Time
The Indy Channel ^ | December 22, 2005 | AP

Posted on 12/22/2005 1:04:50 PM PST by Abathar

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To: rwa265

Not if the poll gets over 50% affirmative "for" votes. Democracy - the mob rules.


41 posted on 12/22/2005 1:58:22 PM PST by Frank T
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To: Abathar
There is a law in Austria that makes Nazi propaganda a crime.

If you're thinking about Hitler, if we think you're thinking about Hitler, if we think you're THINKING of thinking about Hitler...

42 posted on 12/22/2005 1:58:55 PM PST by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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To: Al Gator

"It truly is un freakin believable that you can get jail time for the words that come out of your mouth.

Europeans are really stupid."

Hasn't it usually been that way, over there? They've had different types of regimes throughout its history, but when have they explicity stood up for unregulated and free political speech?


43 posted on 12/22/2005 2:01:48 PM PST by Frank T
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To: Antoninus

Agreed!


44 posted on 12/22/2005 2:02:09 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Dead Corpse
Neo-Nazi's are stupid. However, having a law making free speech a crime is even dumber.

Big BUMP to the top!

45 posted on 12/22/2005 2:03:36 PM PST by eyespysomething (http://members.cox.net/transam57/lights.wmv)
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To: Al Gator
Europeans on the other side of the channel have never experienced the common law freedoms that evolved from the Magna Carta and the Glorious Revolution. Continential Europe has traveled the path of a parlimentary system without the common law constitution of England or the written, popularly ratified and judicially protected constitution of the USA model. Thus, coalition governments, the head of which is the leader of the majority or coalition plurality, are limited only by such abstractions as voluntary, non-binding declarations of human rights and the outer limits of public tolerance.

Those societies are unfortunate to have felt the heel of the tyrant's boot since medieval times and have smelled the odor of his death camps. They have seen their constantly changing borders governed by those who were able to force allegiance through fear and compulsion while suppressing opposition with unrelenting violence.

Thus, while it would seem a natural and inevitable event to have present governments extend the freedom they enjoy to include the voice of any and all dissent, the traumatic experiences of the mid-20th Century are still an echo in too many citizens' ear and the grave markers of those killed by the Nazi terror are still too visable for the allowance of freedom of expression to that degree.

In the past few weeks there have been many posts on FR that, though outlandish and irresponsible, (not to mention patently unconstitutional) long for the days when the USA had a sedition act from the 18th Century and resurrected during WW I. That logical and philosophical inconsistency should illustrate the irony of the mind set that expresses bewilderment at the article from Austria while, at the same time, wishing to impose something far more sinister on the American public for those who openly disagree with current governmental policies. Or, is the entire matter of freedom of the speech we hate an issue of situational ethics and ad hoc policy that can be molded to fit that speech with which we disagree violently enought to punish those with the temerity to utter it?

Curious conumdrum, no?

46 posted on 12/22/2005 2:05:35 PM PST by middie
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To: bannie

If the intent is to erase the cultural memory of national socialism in places like Austria and Germany, by banning such speech in its defence or deference, it's ironic, then, that being a fan of that movement is something for their younger people to do to be subversive or cool. ie. the opposite of the intended effect.

Allied bombardment of NAZI cities and troups had more of an effect in discrediting national socialism, than banning liberty.


47 posted on 12/22/2005 2:19:20 PM PST by Frank T
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To: Puppage

Is this what Bill Clinton sees when he's asleep and dreaming?


48 posted on 12/22/2005 2:21:43 PM PST by Frank T
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To: middie

Well said.


49 posted on 12/22/2005 2:22:42 PM PST by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: Dead Corpse

I know, but the problem is we don't officially "decalre" these very real wars in which American lives in unform are put on the line.

Does the fact that we have no declared war mean we don't have "enemies" and that people like Fonda aren't "adhering to them, providing them aid and comfort"?

I think this fine distinction was one that was only made during the Democrat Viet Nam fiasco and the fact that we actually were winning the war on te hground didn't mean anything in the long run becasue we allowed traitors like Fonda, the Berrigans, et al to undermine public morale.

War can be won on the battlefield and lost in the arena of public opinion - especially in Democracies and our enemies know that.

I don't know what the solution is, but I'd like to hang these people.


50 posted on 12/22/2005 2:23:13 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Puppage

I used to think that was funny.

Then MoveOn.org and their ilk started calling Bush a "Nazi" and "Hitler".

Then I realized that only Hitler is Hitler.


51 posted on 12/22/2005 2:24:09 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: middie
On the other hand, the European societies being (in my view) more mature politically having seen it all over the centuries and expecting more changes over the coming centuries, accept or resign themsleves to certain limitations on their freedom like, taking seriously the admonition that one can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, which is something we like to declare, but not take seriously, litigating and debating endlessly, issueing thousands upon thousands of pages of gobbledygook legal opinions, tearing our hair out over every single issue that comes along and making it a constitutional case.

It's tiring, immature and we can't seem to be able to outgrow it and move on to other things.

(But that's just my silly opinion.)

52 posted on 12/22/2005 2:33:11 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: ZULU
And if Hillary takes the reigns? Suddenly WE will become the "enemies of the State". Never, EVER, give your government a tool that could be arbitrarily used against you some day.

I'd like to hang a few myself. I am equally sure this feeling is mutual on their side. We should bring back duels of honor. Not that they have any, but hopefully a few would get plugged anyway. The herd needs culling badly.

53 posted on 12/22/2005 2:34:15 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: Antoninus
Political speech is not breaking the law, even if it is repugnant.

Except for 60 days before a national election (per Campaign Finance Reform.)

54 posted on 12/22/2005 2:45:46 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Abathar

Austrians... I remember this austrian coworker in Germany happy about getting this new hightech job in Chicago... but then asked rather candidly and shockingly: "I love America and Americans, but what is wrong with them having so many n&&s?"

I don't know about Chicago's problems, but Austrians seem to still be institutionalized by deep sin and racism.


55 posted on 12/22/2005 2:49:54 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Al Gator

[Europeans are really stupid.]

Actually it was the American and other Allied occupiers who insisted that the Germans and Austrians outlaw Naziism. Here in Germany, it is still illegal to own a copy of "Mein Kampf". That was basically an American occupation law institutionalized. It is a legacy of a once-important theme.

If America gets nuked, it is possible that "Fahrenheit 9-11" will become illegal in the USA...or the Koran...?


56 posted on 12/22/2005 2:59:59 PM PST by GermanBusiness
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To: Abathar
No we should never ban Free Speech, because that is what makes us truly free!

However, I do support a law that makes it a criminal offense to tell outright lies in order to destroy the character of a person or entity in this county.

The punishment for doing so should be, public humiliation of that person, along with fines and some stiff jail time.

That should be all it takes to put the Democrats and other perverted political parties out of business here.

57 posted on 12/22/2005 3:32:49 PM PST by Hillarys nightmare (So Proud to be living in "Jesus Land" ! Don't you wish everyone did?)
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To: Red Badger

30% think we should have that law.

Baaaah, 30% think we have that law ALREADY!


58 posted on 12/22/2005 3:34:31 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Antonello

Absolutely! Can't have phrases we don't like being uttered all willy-nilly now, can we? On an unrelated note, isn't it a shame that those two tall buildings in New York collapsed?


59 posted on 12/22/2005 7:52:37 PM PST by RouxStir (Peaceful Muslim?.....The Ultimate Oxymoron.)
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To: Abathar
Poll on page also:

"Do you think the United States should have a law similar to the Austrian law that makes Nazi propaganda a crime?"

30% think we should have that law.

I suppose I should be alarmed that 30% favor such a move, but I have to admit that I was relieved it was not a majority.

60 posted on 12/22/2005 7:54:31 PM PST by ReignOfError
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