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Miami Seaplane Lost Wing Before Crash
airwise news, reuters ^ | December 21, 2005 | staff

Posted on 12/21/2005 5:07:00 AM PST by saganite

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To: 19th LA Inf

Great author, fascinating man.


21 posted on 12/21/2005 5:28:15 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: mewzilla
"They ever locate the remains of the 20th passenger? "

Mebbe the 20th passenger never got on the plane? Mebbe the 20th passenger's cheating spouse was on the plane and the 20th passenger left him/her with a little gift in his/her luggage?

Actually, as I watched the footage of the plane hitting the water with the burning wing and engine following, I imagined Crockett & Tubbs watching from rampside as the Columbian drug kingpin, thinking he had made his escape, perishes in a ball of flame thanks to a jilted cocaine-dependant lover.

22 posted on 12/21/2005 5:30:16 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Hatteras
20th Passenger? I saw an interview with a lady who claims she is normally on that flight, but wasn't that day. I don't know if she had a ticket or not. I hope she wasn't just trying to get her 15 minutes.
23 posted on 12/21/2005 5:37:52 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Aquinasfan

It is. NDT of major structures ought to be mandated for
Part 135 operations of aircraft this age. Why its not is
a mystery to me.


24 posted on 12/21/2005 5:39:01 AM PST by rahbert
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To: saganite

I wonder if anyone in the company is responsible for inspecting those planes regularly? /sarc


25 posted on 12/21/2005 5:49:41 AM PST by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: ken5050
True..also, these planes do lots of short hops...many take-offs and landings..where stress/load is the greatest..Remember the Hawaiian Airlines plane that lost the top of the fuselage because of metal fatigue....

Utter nonsense. First of all, there isn't enough known about what happened to the Mallard to make any comparisons with any other crash of any other airplane. Second, the Mallard is nonpressurized. The Hawaiian Airlines 737 was pressurized. The failure of the Mallard, whatever the cause, clearly was not caused by repeated pressurization and depressurization cycles, as with the HA 737.

26 posted on 12/21/2005 5:51:43 AM PST by Thermalseeker
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To: commish

If that were the case, the plane would have been so low to the water that it would have crashed immediately. There would be no part falling from the sky after tthe plane. I am guessing that it was metal fatigue compounded by salt water corrosion.


27 posted on 12/21/2005 5:53:09 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Thermalseeker

Check out the link in post 18 if you're interested in an intelligent discussion of this crash.


28 posted on 12/21/2005 5:54:14 AM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: mewzilla
re: They ever locate the remains of the 20th passenger?

This missing passenger could be an important part of the final story. They will probably find the remains, possibly in the fuselage when it's recovered, but until they do it really makes one think of sabotage of some type, terrorist or otherwise.
29 posted on 12/21/2005 6:02:28 AM PST by jwpjr
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To: rahbert

re: NDT of major structures ought to be mandated for
Part 135 operations of aircraft this age

Do you know for a fact that it's not? I have no idea, just curious. I would be concerned not only about the time on the airframe, but the constant exposure to salt water.

Overall, it seems like these aircraft labor in the worst of all worlds, short hops, high hours, tough environment.

I have always been fascinated by the Chalk operation. My heart and prayers go out to the families and loved ones of the victims and to the people responsible for operating the aircraft.


30 posted on 12/21/2005 6:10:16 AM PST by jwpjr
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To: jwpjr

No I do not. My guess (and its only a guess) is that if it
were mandated these aircraft would be uneconomical to
operate. I know that the USN and USAF regularly tear down
aircraft and magnaflux the major structures. Of course
they have much bigger budget.


31 posted on 12/21/2005 6:18:47 AM PST by rahbert
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To: saganite
I'm not sure whether the wing spar on these is wood or metal but the environment they operate in is rough on both materials.

The spar was aluminum. The aircraft was built in 1947.

32 posted on 12/21/2005 6:22:39 AM PST by pfflier
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To: DB

Not to mention when that metal spends its life around seawater.


34 posted on 12/21/2005 6:41:46 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: rahbert; jwpjr

Aircraft are x-rayed all the time to check for cracks/fatigue. This is a science, and is well regulated.
I know that Learjets have 100% teardown inspections with x-ray every 12 years/12000 hours. But it varies based on class of aircraft and the nature of its service.
Crashes like wing seperation are usually compound failures.
(Ex. age + salt + somebody missed some rivets)


35 posted on 12/21/2005 6:46:04 AM PST by angryirish (Merry Christmas* Everyone! (*If this Christian greeting offends you......Bite Me.))
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To: Thermalseeker

I think you misunderstood me. The other poster had theorized about fatigue..I said I there was no way of telling htis early..but that these planes had a great number of evolutions per flight hours..because they do short hops...which puts more stress on the airframe..am I wrong in that statement?


36 posted on 12/21/2005 6:58:27 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050
had a great number of evolutions per flight hours

Cycles, not "evolutions".

37 posted on 12/21/2005 7:42:00 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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Metal fatigue is the most likely cause as was discussed on the original thread:

Breaking News Plane Crash in Miami

38 posted on 12/21/2005 7:46:47 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Thanks for the correction.. I gather an "evolution" is NKT a cycle..what does it refer to in avaiation parlance?..


39 posted on 12/21/2005 8:24:04 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: DB; jwpjr; Thermalseeker; ken5050; A.A. Cunningham; HamiltonJay; SteveJudd; pfflier; rahbert; ...

It was structural failure

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051221/ap_on_re_us/plane_crash


40 posted on 12/21/2005 2:38:58 PM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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