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Miami Seaplane Lost Wing Before Crash
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| December 21, 2005
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Posted on 12/21/2005 5:07:00 AM PST by saganite
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posted on
12/21/2005 5:07:01 AM PST
by
saganite
To: saganite
Probably terrorism. Easy target.
2
posted on
12/21/2005 5:08:22 AM PST
by
Ninian Dryhope
("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
To: Ninian Dryhope
I hope you're kidding. You are, right?
3
posted on
12/21/2005 5:09:35 AM PST
by
saganite
(The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
To: saganite
So it's either the wing came off..severing fuel lines, which then caused misting and the explosion..or there was an explosion which then blew the wing off..
4
posted on
12/21/2005 5:09:59 AM PST
by
ken5050
(Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
To: ken5050
They ever locate the remains of the 20th passenger?
5
posted on
12/21/2005 5:11:09 AM PST
by
mewzilla
(Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
To: saganite
Metal gets fatigued over time when under constant changing stress. At some point it isn't safe to fly in old planes no matter how well maintained.
6
posted on
12/21/2005 5:11:14 AM PST
by
DB
(©)
To: ken5050
Or the wing seperated under load because it was corroded. These things live in salt water. I'm not sure whether the wing spar on these is wood or metal but the environment they operate in is rough on both materials.
7
posted on
12/21/2005 5:12:32 AM PST
by
saganite
(The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
To: Ninian Dryhope
8
posted on
12/21/2005 5:14:06 AM PST
by
stuartcr
(Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
To: saganite
Who signed off on the airworthiness of the aircraft?
9
posted on
12/21/2005 5:14:06 AM PST
by
stboz
To: ken5050
IF I had to guess from what I know about seaplanes (which is not much), I would bet the plane got caught in a wake or something and dipped a pontoon or wingtip which stressed the wing just enough to sheer it.
Jimmy Buffett had a similar accident off of either Long Island or Nantucket. He was acceleating for take off and one of his outer pontoons got hit by a large wave. The Pontoon submerged and flipped the plane over. Luckily for him there was no fire and he was able to escape.
10
posted on
12/21/2005 5:14:35 AM PST
by
commish
(Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
To: mewzilla
He was the one that did not board the plane after checking the luggage with the bomb planted inside.
There was some internet chatter about it but the wire tap order did not get clearance fast enough to keep the plan from taking off. (s/)
11
posted on
12/21/2005 5:15:43 AM PST
by
SR 50
(Larry)
To: SR 50
FWIW, I'm betting age and corrosion for the accident. But I'm still curious about the 20th passenger.
12
posted on
12/21/2005 5:17:09 AM PST
by
mewzilla
(Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
To: saganite
I am not kidding. We will know soon enough what happened.
I happened to fly on one of these airplanes from Paradise Island to Miami back in the the late 70's. When we landed to made a stop in Bimini, we hit a wave and it made such a loud smack that it sounded like the bottom was being torn out.
I was told at the time the Chalk Airlines had never had a fatality. They said that if there was every any trouble with an engine, the plane could set down on the water safely. The thing only flew about 750 above the water and it seemed to only be going about 120 mph. It was a neat flight.
As I understand it, there is no airport security for Chalk Airlines flights. When I flew, we passengers stood around outside on a concrete dock until the plane showed up, popped its wheels out and taxied up the ramp onto the land. After we got on the plane, it taxied back down the ramp into the water, folded its wheels into recesses in its side, headed out into the bay, turned into the wind, and gave her the gun.
13
posted on
12/21/2005 5:17:36 AM PST
by
Ninian Dryhope
("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
To: DB
True..also, these planes do lots of short hops...many take-offs and landings..where stress/load is the greatest..Remember the Hawaiian Airlines plane that lost the top of the fuselage because of metal fatigue....That airlien does short interisland hops, so that airframe had nearly three times the number of evolutions as most other planes of the same hours of flight. It ( metal fatigue) was the contributing cause of the incident.
14
posted on
12/21/2005 5:17:51 AM PST
by
ken5050
(Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
To: SR 50
You better make your sarcasm tag bigger. Some people will probably miss it. ;-)
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posted on
12/21/2005 5:18:30 AM PST
by
michaelt
To: saganite
Corrosion from salt water and/or fatigue can cause wing failure. I know of a case where an Aero Commander wing failure happened while turning final for landing at Love Field. The aircraft was a company shuttle on which the procedure was to shut down the left engine for passenger boarding at each stop, which happened a dozen or so times a day. A crack in a wing spar, aggravated by the vibration from engine starting cycle, got longer each time, until finally the little bit of added stress from banking for the final turn was too much.
"Fate is the Hunter." (Ernest Gann)
To: commish
Interesting theory..the plane in question is a high wing design..and it was taking off froma fairly sheltered area..there was no wave actrion..had they somehow clipped a wavetop, due to a wing dip....the pilot would have aborted the take off..
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posted on
12/21/2005 5:24:05 AM PST
by
ken5050
(Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
To: saganite
18
posted on
12/21/2005 5:25:04 AM PST
by
saganite
(The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
To: saganite
Da plane, da plane!
19
posted on
12/21/2005 5:27:16 AM PST
by
bmwcyle
(Evolution is a myth -- Libertarians just won't evolve into Conservatives.)
To: saganite
the 58-year-old plane That seems to be far beyond a safe zone for metal fatigue. Any metallurgists out there? It seems like this plane should have been retired a long time ago.
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posted on
12/21/2005 5:27:54 AM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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