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Remembering the Flying Tigers
Defense News ^ | Dec 20, 2005

Posted on 12/20/2005 5:38:44 PM PST by SandRat

The Flying Tigers of World War II
Americans have not always waited for their country to enter a war formally to fight for causes they supported. The tradition continued during the early days of World War II before the United States officially became a combatant. Some Americans joined the Royal Air Force, forming the Eagle Squadrons and fighting alongside English pilots in the Battle of Britain and other early conflicts. But it was another group of Americans, the American Volunteer Group (AVG) in China, that gained the most fame and notoriety in the early months of the war. On Dec. 20, 1941, the AVG 'Flying Tigers'entered combat for the first time.

From Volunteers to Regulars
The great value of the Flying Tigers was psychological and diplomatic. Amerians and Chinese hailed them as heroes during the early period of World War II when Japan had the upper hand. The Flying Tigers raised public hopes for eventual victory.

Additional Information

* The Flying Tigers

* Prelude to War

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; flying; remembering; tigers; wwii

1 posted on 12/20/2005 5:38:44 PM PST by SandRat
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To: 2LT Radix jr; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; 80 Square Miles; A Ruckus of Dogs; acad1228; AirForceMom; ..

WWII Heros remembered on today their Anniversary


2 posted on 12/20/2005 5:39:16 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Earlier this year I had the priveledge to meet Tex Hill; Flying Tiger ace. It was an honor to speak to him for awhile and buy his book from him.


3 posted on 12/20/2005 5:41:41 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: SandRat
Flying Tigers Bump
4 posted on 12/20/2005 5:42:41 PM PST by wolf24
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To: GregoTX

5 posted on 12/20/2005 5:44:34 PM PST by wolf24
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To: SandRat
Into the tigers teeth!


6 posted on 12/20/2005 5:46:50 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: SandRat

Give me some men who are stout hearted men and I'll soon give you ten thousand more, shoulder to shoulder......


7 posted on 12/20/2005 5:47:44 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: SandRat; All

undefined Photo personally signed by Tex Hill.FLYING TIGERS ACE "TEX HILL"

David Lee Hill was born on 13 July 1915 in Kwangju, Korea, the son of a missionary who moved to Texas when he was six. After finishing Austin College in 1938, "Tex" completed naval flight school and served in a torpedo squadron on the USS Saratoga and in a dive-bomber squadron on the USS Ranger. Hill was among the first Americans to see combat in World War II. He volunteered to join the American Volunteer Group in China in 1941. The AVG would soon be known as the Flying Tigers.

Hill became a triple "Ace" during his time with the AVG and its Army Air Corps successor, the 23rd Fighter Group. He destroyed more than 18 enemy aircraft, including what is believed to be the first Japanese Zero shot down by a P-51 Mustang. His heroics were so legendary that he was portrayed by John Wayne in the movie "Flying Tigers".

But it was for his actions at the stick of a P-40 Tomahawk on October 25, 1942, that he was recently honored. The citation accompanying the DSC reads, in part"….while performing bomber escort duty in a P-40 aircraft over enemy held territory in the China Theatre….Major Hill attacked superior numbers of enemy aircraft rising to intercept the U.S. B-24 bombers.


P-40 Tomahawk
 

Without hesitation, he turned his aircraft on its back for a high speed dive and placed his aircraft between the enemy fighters and the B-24 bombers". It goes on to read, "With exceptional flying ability, Major Hill forced the enemy to turn from the attack and dive away. With skillful marksmanship, he destroyed one aircraft and severely damaged three others resulting in their probable destruction".

On Thanksgiving Day 1943, he led a force of 12 B-25s, 10 P-38s, and 8 new P-51 Mustangs from Saichwan, China, on the first strike against Formosa. The Japanese had 100 bombers and 100 fighters located at Shimchiku Airfield, and the bombers were landing as "Tex" Hill's force arrived. The enemy managed to get seven fighters airborne, but they were promptly shot down. Forty-two Japanese airplanes were destroyed and 12 more were probably destroyed in the attack. The Americans returned home with no casualties.

President George W. Bush praised Hill's patriotism, writing: "During these extraordinary times we have been reminded that our achievements in peace and war have been built on the service and sacrifice of our men and women in uniform. Your devotion to duty and your legendary battles in World War II have earned you the respect and admiration of all Americans…. Your bravery in battle continues to be an inspiration as we face the challenges of a new era".

During the closing months of World War II "Tex" Hill commanded the 412th Fighter Group, the first jet unit in the Army Air Forces. The group flew the Bell XP-59 and later the Lockheed P-80.

In July 1946 Hill resigned his commission and left active duty. Shortly thereafter, he joined the Air National Guard and became the youngest Brigadier General in the history of that service. He Retired from the military in 1968.

Colonel Hills honors include: The DSC, Nationalist Chinese Order of the Cloud Banner, Chinese Victory Medal, British Distinguished Flying Cross, U.S. Distinguished Flying Cross, two Air Medals, Silver Star, and Legion of Merit.

Source U.S. Air Force Archives
 

 

Found on the internet here!  More photos at source!

8 posted on 12/20/2005 5:48:33 PM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: SandRat
WWII Heros remembered on today their Anniversary

I wonder if the Chicoms remember...

9 posted on 12/20/2005 5:50:24 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: SandRat
These in the day when heaven was falling,
The hour when Earth's foundations fled,
Followed their mercenary calling,
Took their wages and are dead.

Their shoulders held the sky suspended.
They stood, and Earth's foundations stay.
What God abandoned, these defended,
And saved the sum of things for pay.

10 posted on 12/20/2005 5:52:16 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: SandRat

Thanks Sand Rat. When I was a kid, our atate fair (Michigan) had a Warhawk on display and I had the opportunity to sit with the pilot as he cranked up that awesome engine. It was scary:)


11 posted on 12/20/2005 5:53:50 PM PST by RTINSC (Being Offended is the Natural Consequence of Leaving Your Home...)
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To: mac_truck

Actually, I just read somewhere lately that the Chinese honored the Tigers not to long ago. I'll see if I can find the link.

I remember it making me very happy, but the other details escape me. :)


12 posted on 12/20/2005 5:53:51 PM PST by wolf24
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To: SandRat
Don't forget that Chennault's chief of staff was Merian C. Cooper, the directer of the original King Kong! IIRC he ended the war a General. Too old for regular service, he volunteered and did a great job. Back then Hollywood was on OUR side.
13 posted on 12/20/2005 5:54:57 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: SandRat
I got in trouble in grade school and had to do the usual "book report". Fortunately, my teacher didn't specify which book,...so I did God is My Copilot by a fellow named Scott {last name}.
I was the envy of the class, at least the boys anyway.
14 posted on 12/20/2005 5:58:24 PM PST by labette
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To: labette
Flying Tigers bump
15 posted on 12/20/2005 6:03:23 PM PST by wolf24
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To: mac_truck
They sure do. And so do the Japanese. My dad flew C-46s in the China-Burma-India Campaign as a civilian pilot. His first airplane was painted green with nationalist Chinese Stars on the wings. Later, this plane was replaced with a slightly updated AAF C-46 with American stars. He knew many of these old timers, including several who went on to CAT (Civil Air Transport), Air America and Flying Tigers Airlines.
The airline's planes sported the tiger teeth motif and brought disbelief to the Japanese. The Chinese loved em.
16 posted on 12/20/2005 6:09:50 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: wolf24

And if you didn't know, one of the 'Flying Tigers',
was Gregg Boynton, weho after being conscripted
back into the Marine Corps, bacame the leader of
the VMF 214 known as the 'Black Sheep' Squadron.


17 posted on 12/20/2005 6:10:51 PM PST by Baby Driver
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To: StarCMC
Interesting that Tex Hill was the Son of a Missionary.

I read a good book years ago about Erich Hartmann, the German all time ace of aces with 352 kills. He was also the son of a Missionary Doctor, born in China.

18 posted on 12/20/2005 6:16:25 PM PST by yarddog
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To: labette
I got to meet Robert L. Scot the author of "God is My Co-Pilot" several years ago. He was nearly 90 but in good health.

Really courteous and friendly. He also had that charisma which many old Southerners seem to have. After the event I noticed he got into his Cadillac with his daughter and drove himself back to Macon, Georgia.

Scot was technically not in the AVG although he did fly with them unofficially before joining the successor organization.

19 posted on 12/20/2005 6:22:27 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
My dad flew C-46s in the China-Burma-India Campaign as a civilian pilot.

My dad was the flight engineer on General Tunner's personal plane in the CBI; Military Channel just showed a short documentary on Tunner, which was sort of boring, just interviewed Tunner's son; wish they'd talked to my Dad, he'd have had some actual interesting stories about the guy that broke his neck because he didn't wear his seatbelt in a storm, the plane they had that actually had the wings bent by extreme updrafts and downdrafts, etc.

20 posted on 12/20/2005 6:25:31 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: yarddog

There were a dozen civilians in my dad's Hump pilot outfit based in India, a few flyers with shady pasts and a few that liked living in Asia and just didn't want to go home. Many of these moved into DAC jobs related to Korea, as did my dad. He worked for the Army/State Department's Japan Procurement Agency in Tokyo and retired in the early 60s.


21 posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:03 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: yarddog
From what I can recall, it was a very hard book to put aside.
It had many fascinating tales, such as periodically painting the nose cones different colors to fool the Japanese as to their numbers. Or how the "coolies?" were able to raise a sunken P-40 from a river with bamboo.
22 posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:27 PM PST by labette
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To: Strategerist

My dad was actually a little too old to step forward in 1942, since he was born in 1906. He had been a pilot with China National Airlines Company (owned at that time by American Airlines) and the move to flying the Hump was a natural. He made 25 missions, suffered burns in a crash landing and was treated at the Army burn center in San Antonio. When he was released, he got a handshake and goodbye. Since he was a civilian, he never received Vet's recognition.


23 posted on 12/20/2005 6:34:26 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Since he was a civilian, he never received Vet's recognition

Yeah, the merchant mariners in the Atlantic (who I think had a higher death rate from being torpedoed than any of the armed forces) have the same problem.

The other weird story was either the Indians or Chinese (I think it was the Chinese) who would try to run across the runway right in front of a plane taking off so the plane would hit and kill the invisible evil spirit following them; some of them mis-timed their runs.

Also he had an unfortunate experience flying Chinese troops to India for them to be trained; none had flown in an airplane before, and they all got airsick...

24 posted on 12/20/2005 6:37:47 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist; Eric in the Ozarks

My Dad served with the 14th Air Force in China under Chenault's command.

If you haven't joined yet, you may want to consider joining the 14tth Air Force Association as associate members. Tex Hill and many other pilots were regular members and you can only imagine how the ranks of those regular members are fading lately. Direct descendants are entitled to join and it's a great organization.

The following link is a site made by a man who served with my father and it contains quite a bit of info with some great photos. On the opening page is a photo of the Blood Chit my dad wore on the back of a flight jacket he wore on the many trips he made over the "Hump". He was a Tech Sergeant, and one of his fondest memories was the day one of the pilots let him jump into the left seat up front for awhile on one of those trips from China to India.

http://community-2.webtv.net/HaoBooHao/CHINADAYS19441945/


25 posted on 12/20/2005 6:38:55 PM PST by Cagey (Some men are Baptists, others Catholics, my father was an Oldsmobile man.)
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To: Cagey

My Dad is a member of the Hump Pilots Association and went to a couple of their conventions; unfortunately they stopped having them because so few of them were left alive.

My Dad still has the cool flag back patch from his flight jacket, and also has a separate blood chit. Somehow he lost track of the actual jacket which is a shame, wish we still had that.


26 posted on 12/20/2005 6:41:53 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: StarCMC
Nice post

I note in passing though that the picture labled P-40 Tomahawk is not a Tomahawk. The Tomahawk was the P-40B/C and had 4 machine guns in the wings. The pictured aircraft has six wing mounted machine guns, making it a P-40E (Kittyhawk) or later P-40K (Warhawk)

27 posted on 12/20/2005 6:42:46 PM PST by jscd3
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To: Strategerist
I still have quite a bit of his memorabilia and wouldn't part with them for any money. After the Blood Chit, another favorite is a silk air map of a section of China.

If you want, let me know and I'll forward the address of the 14th Air Force Association. They are still fairly active and each year have a get together in DC on Memorial Day which your Dad may want to attend. They also have regional meetings every once in awhile.
28 posted on 12/20/2005 6:47:41 PM PST by Cagey (Some men are Baptists, others Catholics, my father was an Oldsmobile man.)
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To: jscd3
The Tomahawk was the P-40B/C and had 4 machine guns in the wings. The pictured aircraft has six wing mounted machine guns, making it a P-40E (Kittyhawk) or later P-40K (Warhawk)

Yep, you're right about that.

Though the subject of what EXACTLY the AVG was flying has been a source of endless controversy, as they were flying aircraft originally meant for the RAF I think...

There's also a lot of mythology around them, including the basic myth that they were fighting before Pearl Harbor which is false...

The other weird thing that surprises people is that they weren't fighting Zeros at all; they were up against the Japanese Army, who never had Zeros (a Navy Aircraft). There were some Zeros fighting in China for a brief period of time, in a Navy detachment, but they never went up against the AVG. In fact most AVG kills were bombers and obselete fixed-landing gear fighters.

29 posted on 12/20/2005 6:51:41 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: SandRat
God Bless 'em all.
I used to play the game Car Wars with a group that called itself the "Driving Tigers" in their honor.
30 posted on 12/20/2005 7:50:17 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Baby Driver

Greg Boyington wasn't conscripted back into the Marine Corps. Due to his age, as well as other factors,it took quite a bit of effort to get the Marine Corps to reappoint him. Boyington commanded VMF-122 before he took command of VMF-214.


31 posted on 12/20/2005 8:44:02 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: wolf24

32 posted on 12/20/2005 9:20:48 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (Making my list, checking it twice... max is still not on it.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Yes, i know..but many of the Tigers were "cajoled"
back into the US Miltary proper, when the US joned
the war. I agree that the word conscripted is not
completely accurate, but then neither is re-enlisted...
nor seconded...


33 posted on 12/21/2005 1:06:20 AM PST by Baby Driver
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To: SandRat

BTTT


34 posted on 12/21/2005 3:01:08 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Cagey

I have four CBI patches from Dad's uniforms, some pretty ragged with age. He was issued officers clothing and was addressed as "captain," but wore no rank insignia.


35 posted on 12/21/2005 5:58:56 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SandRat

Amen and Ged Bless them


36 posted on 12/21/2005 5:59:33 AM PST by bmwcyle (Evolution is a myth -- Libertarians just won't evolve into Conservatives.)
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To: Strategerist
Though the subject of what EXACTLY the AVG was flying has been a source of endless controversy

Not really. The first load of aircraft that they used were p-40Bs destined for the RAF which they received after the North Africa mission for which they were intended was canceled.

Just prior to the AVG being folded back into the army air corp, a number of pilots received the P40E Kittyhawks, which had 6 wing mounted 50s, as opposed to 2 nose mounted 50's and 4 wing mounted 30's (or in some cases, only 4 wing mounted 30's) of the P-40B

A very good general overview of the career of the AVG can be found in Martain Caidin's history of the early air war in the Pacific 'The Ragged Rugged Warriors'

Good follow up post on the other myths of the AVG, by the way

37 posted on 12/21/2005 6:57:19 AM PST by jscd3
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
They sure do.

Forgive my cynicism. I'm sure that Chinese 'nationalists' remember and appreciate the courage and dedication of the Flying Tigers, almost as well as they remember their country before the scourge of Maoism took it under. However, most of the Chinese nationalists these days are dead or living in Taiwan. I doubt the Communists who rule the mainland today value or respect the contribution those Americans made toward defending their country pre-1949. As evidence I would simply offer the American spy plane downing incident with China in the earliest days of the GWB administration.

38 posted on 12/21/2005 9:22:44 AM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: mac_truck
I do some business with mainland Chinese and I happened to mention my dad was in the CBI. I got an invitation to come to their country as an honored guest. Their anti Japanese feelings trump any Taiwan issues and probably always will.
I work through a broker so I was able to pass on the invitation.
39 posted on 12/21/2005 9:39:37 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I am sure the fact that Japan has never offered a formal apology for the atrocities committed in China has a bit to do with their feelings. I realize relations between the two have not been good for decades, but the Japanese at the very least owe an apology to them.


40 posted on 12/21/2005 7:50:45 PM PST by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: phoenix0468
Japan's prime minister and the PM before him apologized several times in Japan and on visits to China but what sets off the Chinese again and again is the PM's visit to the war dead shrine. The names of many war criminals are associated with this shrine, along with the million plus dead from wars with China, Russia, etc.
This has always been a puzzle to me since I was raised in Japan in the 1950s (Army brat) and there was still evidence of the war to see and many Japanese veterans trying to live in a fast-changing society. The Japanese government completely ignored the amputees and parents of war dead who had no homes to go to, but made a big show of going to the shrine honoring the dead.
My dad's Masonic Lodge, along with trying to help crippled children in Japan, adopted a unique orphanage of old people the Japanese government had built but neglected to fund. These were old men and women who had lost their sons to the war and were destitute. They lived communally in a big building in the Japanese countryside. I got to visit them with my dad several times and still wonder what they thought about the Americans.
41 posted on 12/22/2005 6:58:17 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Baby Driver
And if you didn't know, one of the 'Flying Tigers', was Gregg Boynton, weho after being conscripted back into the Marine Corps, bacame the leader of the VMF 214 known as the 'Black Sheep' Squadron.

I knew Pappy in his last years and attended his memorial service. He had mellowed in his old age, but when with a fellow drivers he could tell some great stories. Truly an American Hero.

42 posted on 12/22/2005 7:09:35 AM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

I would've loved to have been able to listen to
those stories....(sigh)


43 posted on 12/22/2005 7:13:43 AM PST by Baby Driver
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Thanks for your service...


44 posted on 12/22/2005 7:20:01 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SandRat
Flying Tigers link:

14th AF

45 posted on 12/22/2005 7:21:47 AM PST by Young Werther
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