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Did Bush willingly commit a ZOT? Please say it ain't so

Posted on 12/20/2005 8:49:47 AM PST by always thr constitution

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To: AliVeritas
The constitution is not a suicide pact. Lincoln

Lincoln didn't say that...

I heard Rush misquote that this morning...

141 posted on 12/20/2005 11:44:12 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: always thr constitution

142 posted on 12/20/2005 11:55:29 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Link to Great TV ad re rat traitors and their words re Iraq: http://www.gop.com/Media/120905.wmv)
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To: scott0347

So is that a Zotted Rat or snake?


143 posted on 12/20/2005 12:02:20 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Link to Great TV ad re rat traitors and their words re Iraq: http://www.gop.com/Media/120905.wmv)
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To: always thr constitution

Did that hurt?


144 posted on 12/20/2005 12:04:56 PM PST by Modok
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To: Grampa Dave

I think rat


145 posted on 12/20/2005 12:05:30 PM PST by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: linda_22003
If the poster is a "troll", then so is Bruce Fein, a former Reagan Deputy AG:

Are you convinced yet that your little collective attack via FR isn't going to work?
How lame can you be?

LOL!

146 posted on 12/20/2005 12:07:37 PM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: Publius6961

I posted an article which shows that some Republicans also disagree. What do you mean by a "collective attack"?


147 posted on 12/20/2005 12:13:11 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
What do you mean by a "collective attack"?

The Forum equivalent of "seminar" callers on talk radio. Several people collectively reinforcing each other's posts and agreeing to do so ahead of time, to boost perceived credibility.

148 posted on 12/20/2005 12:23:37 PM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: Publius6961

I always assumed people did that sort of thing. What a way to spend your time. No, I just posted a link to an editorial.


149 posted on 12/20/2005 12:28:34 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: Zavien Doombringer

That saying has been attributed to Lincoln in numerous sources regarding his suspension of habeus corpus and the Supreme Court declaring it unconstitutional (he ignored them).

Whose fact checkers are you going to trust. Rush's or the fake but accurate MSM?


150 posted on 12/20/2005 1:55:54 PM PST by Valpal1 (Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
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To: always thr constitution

151 posted on 12/20/2005 2:22:21 PM PST by English Nationalist
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To: always thr constitution
                                 RIP TROLL
 


 
 

152 posted on 12/20/2005 2:34:15 PM PST by vigilante2 (Merry Christmas)
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To: linda_22003
Something passes the smell test if you'd approve of a President you DON'T like doing it. Does this?

OK, so the proposed situation is that Al Gore or John Kerry has decided to do wiretaps on people who are talking to Al-Qaeda operatives.

I would be absolutely fine with it.

First, I do believe quite firmly that this falls under prosecuting the war (see Soviet example below).

Second, I see no reason that the President should be considered guilty until proven innocent on this, and I would carry that over to President Gore or President Kerry if we were in that fix. Bush says that they went around the FISA court because of time issues. That is either the truth or a lie. Since the FISA court has been friendly to the administration and those spyed on are perfectly legitimate targets under FISA jurisdiction, I see no motivation other than the one stated to go around FISA. If you know of one, you can let me know.

Now that I've answered that, let me ask you a few questions:

1. Why are you holding the President guilty until proven innocent in this matter?

2. Where is your outrage against the punks who leaked this?

3. Where is your outrage against members of Congress who hae known about and helped approve this activity and are now acting shocked, shocked that this has been going on?

4. Why don't war powers cover this if the citizen is communicating with enemy personnel? We're not talking about somebody calling Tehran to talk to a mullah, we're talking about someone talking to an Al-Qaeda operative.

5. Here's a scenario and a question. It's the height of the Cold War, and the FBI suspects that ana American citizen living near Otis Air Force base in Massachusetts is a Soviet agent. They have evidence that he has been speaking to person in the Soviet Union whose expertise is the study of our air defense. The pattern of his calls suggests he may be advising them of activity during exercises at the base. Otis is responsible for guarding Air approaches to New York City, among other things. There is a major Soviet Naval Aviation exercise scheduled to begin in the next few hours and this guy has placed two or three calls to the Soviet analyst in just the last three hours, even though there is no activity going on at the base. The FBI agent looking at the case says, "I don't want to be alarmist, but this guy could be advising them of flight activity at the base so they can sneak some bombers through. This guy could be telling them the coast is clear, or he could be getting instructions for a sabotage mission of some sort."

Court approval will take to the end of the day at least. Do you tap the guy's phone or not?

153 posted on 12/20/2005 2:38:30 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("I want a hippopotamus for Christmas...only a hippopotamus will do!")
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To: always thr constitution

MERRY CHRISTMAS TROLL!


154 posted on 12/20/2005 2:56:14 PM PST by PilloryHillary (Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Superb!


155 posted on 12/20/2005 3:11:28 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Link to Great TV ad re rat traitors and their words re Iraq: http://www.gop.com/Media/120905.wmv)
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To: always thr constitution
FEAR THE KITTENS bud!!!
156 posted on 12/20/2005 6:46:32 PM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: always thr constitution
STUDIO Z

It's a Young Blog but give it time it's Notworthy.

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157 posted on 12/20/2005 6:53:28 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Notworthy = Note worthy dammit
158 posted on 12/20/2005 6:56:33 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: Paul_Denton

Hey i have that game is that Homeworld ?

Took me 2 weeks to beat it and it weren't easy


159 posted on 12/20/2005 6:59:53 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Cool :) Yes it is very hard. Especially the last missions. Mission 14 (second before last) is by far the hardest (where they try to crash an asteroid into your mothership). Homeworld 2 is even harder, although they made Karan S'jet (the woman who is known as 'Fleet Command') prettier lol.


160 posted on 12/20/2005 7:01:34 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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