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Did Bush willingly commit a ZOT? Please say it ain't so
Posted on 12/20/2005 8:49:47 AM PST by always thr constitution
I have been arguing with stupid libs for two days saying that Bush committed no crime because under the provisions of the USSID 18 and the FSIA, he could with perfect legitimacy eavesdrop on aliens involved in terrorist activities if he had AG approval.
However, what was puzzling is that Gonzales did not cite USSID 18; he cited the more dubious rationale of war powers approval. This would seem to indicate that Bush was spying on US citizens without a Court Order which clearly violates USSID 18 and the FSIA, and was using war powers approval to cover for it.
Now such actions are not unprecedented during wartime; however, since there has been no officiial declaration of war, there seems to be Constitutional as well as legal issues at work here.
I never thought Bush would resort to such extreme measures to skirt the law. I hope I am wrong. Please tell me why Bush didn't do this.
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Well, teh one came back here as a multiple retread ebfore getting his original handle back.
But he'd posted at an anti-FReeper site for awhile, he still posts at some other site but I'm not sure which, but they tend to have a grudge against VK's and the mods.
Like Tobor for example.
Tobor got himself zotted under his original handle, and came back as Tobor to post a whining vanity about "old timers vs newbies" and screamed about the VK's and 'zotfests'.
He finally got the zot, but I wasn't around to see it as I was elsewhere.
But there are anti-FReeper and anti-Vk's as well.
The troll defenders have one goal, to try and get the VK's and other troll hunting types removed form FR.
Their typical line is "We should debate them on the issues!"
(See Burfreds thread about "FR isn't Free" for a primer in the typical arguing of troll defenders. The words are the same as Burfred was whining about trolls getting the zot.)
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posted on
12/21/2005 9:08:44 AM PST
by
Darksheare
("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
To: Zavien Doombringer
Two points,the first being the internet is not the end all, be all of research, especially if you limit yourself to the first page of results, which after all, are ordered by hit count and not by accuracy. Try going back 30-40 pages and see what you get.
Second, never use wikipedia as a source. It is not a valid source of information and has a well known commie-pinko pedophile slant.
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posted on
12/21/2005 9:12:21 AM PST
by
Valpal1
(Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
To: Darksheare
I remember Tobor...
He had one valid point, and it was one you did agree with. If a newbie posts and is a genuine newbie.. then we should let off a bit. I agree too. But we, you and I, the VK and the RKBA hit those that are blatant trolls. Not those that are learning about debate or just new to FR.
I welcome debate as you do as long as it is intelligent exchange of ideas and not name calling and contradictions. :)
Be ever vigilant, for we are being watched and hunted....
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posted on
12/21/2005 9:17:13 AM PST
by
Zavien Doombringer
(Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
To: Zavien Doombringer
Yes, that was the only valid point he ever brought up on that one.
And that was correct, valid newbies do need some slack.
But teh guys taht have been getting the zot lately have not been valid newbies, and the troll defenders don't seem to understand that at all.
:-/
Willdo.
"Until next troll!"
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posted on
12/21/2005 9:21:55 AM PST
by
Darksheare
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To: Valpal1
Well, I do agree that the Internet isn't the end all... However there is a majority of the resources agree with me. AS far as Wikipedia, I would have to agree with you on politics, but this is a generic topic and it gave a repudible answer, close to what all the other resources were saying.
I highly doubt Abraham Lincoln would have said that quote. He didn't have any reguard to the Constitution of the United States.
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posted on
12/21/2005 9:22:04 AM PST
by
Zavien Doombringer
(Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
To: Darksheare
I see the typo demons got you again....
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posted on
12/21/2005 9:22:52 AM PST
by
Zavien Doombringer
(Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
To: Darksheare
Only the Valid trolls are being Zotted, in my opinion :)
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posted on
12/21/2005 9:26:03 AM PST
by
Zavien Doombringer
(Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
To: Zavien Doombringer
Yuppers.
The typo infection is strong.
And I get the feeling that the trolls are getting caught as well.
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posted on
12/21/2005 9:28:57 AM PST
by
Darksheare
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Here's a hint, when Jackson was researching to write his opinion, one obvious area of research would have been Lincoln's suspension of habeous corpus and other acts and the courts reaction.
And relying on the "majority of resources" is not wise when that "majority" is in fact the hacks of lamestream media who all get their information from each other or the internet. Remember, the internet is mostly a repository of popular opinion that has been published in the last 10-15 years and very little original research. It does not yet have the entirety of human knowledge stored.
I think Lincoln was very likely to have quipped something like the statement.
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posted on
12/21/2005 10:10:22 AM PST
by
Valpal1
(Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
To: Valpal1
Either way...
Very strong point.
As much as Davvy Crockets famous word,"A government big enough to give you everything, is big enough to take it away"...
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posted on
12/21/2005 10:24:13 AM PST
by
Zavien Doombringer
(Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
To: Grampa Dave
It is so laughable how the so called walk on water conservatives on Free Republic want a trial for every radical lib, yet they are immediately ready to electronically lynch GW whenever the MSM lies about him. Excellent job on your reply. I agree, and thank you for the compliment. I'm just getting warmed up...
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posted on
12/21/2005 11:30:41 AM PST
by
Mr. Silverback
("I want a hippopotamus for Christmas...only a hippopotamus will do!")
To: Mr. Silverback
Please Ping me when you get warmed up.
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posted on
12/21/2005 1:28:30 PM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(Link to Great TV ad re rat traitors and their words re Iraq: http://www.gop.com/Media/120905.wmv)
To: Darksheare
I love abusing both trolls and troll defenders hehe.
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posted on
12/21/2005 5:38:54 PM PST
by
Paul_Denton
(The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
To: always thr constitution
Always thr constitution, as thr man said; thr troll is thr stupid one. Thr FReeper speaks...
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posted on
12/22/2005 7:54:08 PM PST
by
Irish_Thatcherite
(~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
To: BulletBobCo
BulletBob --
"How to tell You've Been Really Bad"
I sent this one to my father, whose only vice is an "interesting" sense of humor, LOL!
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posted on
12/24/2005 3:28:42 PM PST
by
Spotsy
(Thank you to all who serve and sacrifice)
To: always thr constitution
I do see a problem with the Bush administration spying on some international phone calls.
They should be spying on ALL phone calls from anyone that had even visited a middle eastern country since the TWA hijacking. ALL. Period.
Just imagine what the government would do if a person called or cabled Japan from the US after December 7th.
What do these libs have to hide?
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