Did Bush willingly commit a ZOT? Please say it ain't so

[always thr constitution]

I have been arguing with stupid libs for two days saying that Bush committed no crime because under the provisions of the USSID 18 and the FSIA, he could with perfect legitimacy eavesdrop on aliens involved in terrorist activities if he had AG approval.

However, what was puzzling is that Gonzales did not cite USSID 18; he cited the more dubious rationale of war powers approval. This would seem to indicate that Bush was spying on US citizens without a Court Order which clearly violates USSID 18 and the FSIA, and was using war powers approval to cover for it.

Now such actions are not unprecedented during wartime; however, since there has been no officiial declaration of war, there seems to be Constitutional as well as legal issues at work here.

I never thought Bush would resort to such extreme measures to skirt the law. I hope I am wrong. Please tell me why Bush didn't do this.

[Shalom Israel]

IBTZ and FP! Yay me!

[AmishDude]

IB4TZ!!!

[Puppage]

BEAT IT TROLL

[TheBigB]

I like cheese. Do you like cheese?

[traderrob6]

IBTZ WOOOHOOO

[AmishDude]

BTW, Echelon has figured out where you're posting from and they're comin' to getcha!

[Puppage]

[RetiredArmy]

You can go back to DU now DUdummy. Brand new liberal coming over to the free side to spread your whines. Go back. Zot.

[Bush_Democrat]

Goodie, IBTZ too! Calling the kitties!!!

[dighton]

I have been arguing with stupid libs ...

In a hall of mirrors?

[Puppage]

[MEG33]

Are you always this stupid or are you making a special effort today?

[linda_22003]

If the poster is a "troll", then so is Bruce Fein, a former Reagan Deputy AG:

http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/bfein.htm

[eastforker]

NB4DZOT

[thoughtomator]

[Coop]

Okay, I'll get right on it!

Oh, and while I'm busy researching for you, could you please tell me how lying under oath isn't perjury so I can go argue with those stupid right-wingers? Thanks so much!

[RockinRight]

Meeoooooow...

[lilylangtree]

I do enjoy seeing that Viking kitty and his trusty sword.

[dirtboy]

Bill Clinton issued an executive order asserting the same authority that Bush used. Rational people can debate whether or not such is Constitutional. But since you're not rational, we'll just zot your arse instead.

[fedupjohn]

NO! It's that simple.

[b4its2late]

[darkwing104]

How do you know about USSID 18? It is an Intelligence Directive, not law?

[MEG33]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543806/posts

Thank You for Wiretapping (WSJ Editorial - Nails It)
Opinion Journal ^


Posted on 12/20/2005 12:36:39 AM CST by indianrightwinger


Thank You for Wiretapping Why the Founders made presidents dominant on national security

[joe fonebone]

get lost, pal...........

[freedomlover]

IB4TZ

[Michael Goldsberry]

Valhalla, I am coming!

[eureka!]

Even one of your hacks, Jamie Gorelick, disagrees with you. Oh, read my tagline and weep....

[Doohickey]

Drat! Missed it.

[add925]

[edcoil]

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Title 50 of the U.S. Code, Chapter 36, Subchapter I, Section 1802, "Electronic surveillance authorization without court order," reads: "[T]he President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year," provided a series of conditions are met. Surveillance must be directed only at agents of foreign powers; there can be no likely surveillance of a "U.S. person" (more on this term below); and there must be strict congressional oversight in the intelligence committees. Mr. Bush says he has complied with these laws. And if the NSA ends up spying on a U.S. citizen? The "U.S. person" definition "does not include a corporation or an association which is a foreign power," according to the same law. An "agent of a foreign power" is anyone, citizen or otherwise, who "knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power." Which means that people who do not help al-Qaeda or other terrorists are safe from surveillance. Anyone who does, however, forfeits his rights and can be targeted for eavesdropping.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Hillary's Travel Office Scandal...

Hillary's 900+ FBI Files...

Hillary's $100,000 cattle futures profit...

I can't wait until she runs. I already have my bumper stickers printed up:

HILLARY
IS A CROOK

[freedomlover]

get lost, pal...........

Looks like that has been done for him.

What a speller, too. Can't even spell a username.

[freedomlover]

get lost, pal...........

Looks like that has been done for him.

What a speller, too. Can't even spell a username.

[jammer]

So am I, I suppose, but the mature, intellectual arguments in the President's favor in the posts above lay a rigorous case in his favor < / sarcasm for the witless>.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Now such actions are not unprecedented during wartime; however, since there has been no officiial declaration of war, there seems to be Constitutional as well as legal issues at work here.

What exactly do you think this is?

[VeniVidiVici]

Perhaps it is classified. I know that doesn't concern Democrats but it does most Republicans.

Why should we disclose all of the tools in our arsenal to satisfy some idiots that are more intent upon bringing ruin to our republic?

[darkwing104]

Confused zot!

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . . don't be shy.

[VeniVidiVici]

Oh, and find me the repercussions for violating USSID 18.

[SittinYonder]

Been a long time since I've seen a real, honest to goodness troll.

Merry Christmas!

[add925]

[Dashing Dasher]

That's no bunny!

[WhiteGuy]

Please Linda, you're going to ruin a perfectly good "troll frenzy"

[Antoninus]

Ave et vale!

[mware]

A newbie I see.

IBTZ

Here is what I think.

[novembersurprise]

"I have been arguing with stupid libs for two days ..."

Don't you mean stoopid libs? Kinda gave the game away on that one snowflake.

[wideawake]

I to tha B to that T to tha Z

[avg_freeper]

always thr(ow up) constitution
always th(orazine) constitution
always thr(ottle) constitution
always th(ird) constitution

[Jersey Republican Biker Chick]

It's dead!