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Posted on 12/19/2005 8:06:43 AM PST by hags
During the 1990's under President Clinton, the National Security Agency monitored millions of private phone calls placed by U.S. citizens and citizens of other countries under a super secret program code-named Echelon.
On Friday, the New York Times suggested that the Bush administration has instituted "a major shift in American intelligence-gathering practices" when it "secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without [obtaining] court-approved warrants."
But in fact, the NSA had been monitoring private domestic telephone conversations on a much larger scale throughout the 1990s - all of it done without a court order, let alone a catalyst like the 9/11 attacks.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
From the NY Slimes: "Doh!"
The lefties think America has forgotten but the memory hole is closed!
Too bad it didn't stop 9/11.
more on Echelon
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Echelon%2Bnsa
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50 USC 1802 Permits Warrantless Surveillance
Posted by angkor
On 12/19/2005 4:25:09 AM PST · 58 replies · 1,249+ views
United States Code ^ | 12/19/2005 | Self
Throughout the "illegal wiretaps" debacle of the last several days we have not heard a single citation of the actual law that is alleged to have been violated. And that's from both the accusers (Rats, the NYT, WashPost, etc.) as well as Republicans, up to and including the White House staff (e.g., Condi Rice on talking head circuit, Sunday morning, where she did not cite the law in defense of the practice). Well, the fact of the matter is that the alleged "illegal surveillance" is not illegal at all. In fact it is specifically permitted under 50 USC 1802, and...
Clinton was only evesdropping the calls of people testifying before the Independent Council.
So THERE! Take that lefties.
Of course, in their way of thinking,it was perfectly
acceptable under Clinton but not now.
there was quite a discussion on this subject last night http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543118/posts
"Too bad it didn't stop 9/11"
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If it had been used for national security instead of partisan politics it might have.
The Patriot Act, along with congress empowered president Bush to wiretap. What legal avenue did Clinton have? Is it time to arrest him?
Exactly. How else would he know who to sic the IRS on? The FBI files can only do so much.
".......an alleged former national security official..."
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Sandy Burgler?
Echelon has been rumored in existence since Clinton. Some people think farther back, But I don't know.
....not to mention the number of conservatives and Republicans the Clintons had the IRS audit...some of them more than two times...
Of course, in their way of thinking,it was perfectly
acceptable under Clinton but not now.
So was ok that clinton did it?
I would not be surprised if all modern Presidents have done this. That is what needs to be learned. I don't think this is just a Clinton and Dubya recent deal.
They can monitor me all they want.
If they want to listen to my mom tell me about her dog, or my girlfriend talk about her hair... have it at!
BTTT
See, this is what happens when you get so focused on one thing. We could easily have impeached Clinton and removed him for office for this, but instead, we were wasting our time on Lewinsky. We just weren't agressive enough.
Able Danger could have, if it hadn't been broken up in April of 2000. The project supposedly was blocked from telling the FBI what it had discovered by Defense Department lawyers who were afraid word would get out that the government was breaking the law by letting intelligence agencies spy inside the U.S.
And let's also not forget the satellite used to monitor events at Elohim City prior to the OKC bombing and COINTELPRO.
Truth is...the Government has been spying on citizens for decades. Only when it involves Bush are they outraged.
Exactly, every President and congress since the beginning understood the need for intelligence, and that a nation must do what is necessary to get it.
Constitutional authority is granted as long as there proper congressional oversite. The fact that domestic spying often involves FISA requests via the judicial branch is only careful protection of civil rights.
Now if we can only get congress to quit leaking our secrets to the NYT and WaPo.
Strange thing though, not one mention of Clinton in the whole article. </sarcasm>
Seems it was all the NSA's fault back then.
Sure to be big news everywhere. We'll need more alternative media if we're ever to get anything besides Bush-bashing.
I suppose Klinton was eavesdropping on all the sorority houses across the country, trolling for potential interns...
Clinton only eavesdropped on the 900 numbers.
Of course not. That's like 60 Minutes doing an Enron story about 1996 connections to the White House and showing file footage of President Bush.
Rush is discussing this now...
I wonder if anyone remembers that deal, where the couple overheard the conversation on their radio scanner or something, recorded it, and gave it to a member of Congress? Maybe that was a result of clinton listening in on private conversations. Hey - we know they used FBI files in the same way.
DUPLICATE THREAD - this was posted over the weekend.
I took the time this afternoon to send along info to all the major networks regarding this 4 year old story. Gee, none of them mentioned it.
Google is our friend:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/01/13/tape/index.shtml
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/january97/cellular_1-14.html
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14035&printerfriendly=1
the big difference is, as bush pointed out today, that there is monitoring and there is intercepting.
Monitoring is within the USA just listening in on lines; he did not authorize the NSA to do that; they intercepted international communication with groups with known ties to terrorists.
Yes. That's the policy around here, and why we have a search function here. Duplicate threads, particularly in the old days of FR, took up valuable "bandwidth".
Duplicate threads, particularly in the old days of FR
"I wonder if anyone remembers that deal, where the couple overheard the conversation on their radio scanner or something, recorded it, and gave it to a member of Congress? Maybe that was a result of clinton listening in on private conversations. Hey - we know they used FBI files in the same way."
Newt and McDermott case......I think that's the one your talking about.
http://kiro.liquidviewer.net/kiro-od/jimmcdermottdec16.asf
http://kiro.liquidviewer.net/kiro-od/jimmcdermottdec16.asf
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