'Winter Soldier': Cold Days in Hell

the washington post ^ | Friday, December 9, 2005; Page C05 | By Ann Hornaday

[shrinkermd]

We need some blogger to research the film and it's characters for accuracy and truthfulness. Then this has to used to point out what these people are really like.

It is all there. If memory serves me right many of the participants later denied what they said or were never really in RVN.

Corsi or someone can make a quick buck with a quick, but factual, book on this whole subject.

[maica]

This was done last year in film version and MSM ganged up on any TV station or movie house who thought that presenting an opposing [to JFnKerry] viewpoint was a good idea. Private DVDs were made available by the filmmaker.

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Some things never change:

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Let's do that again with the link to the video:

[maica]

Referring to the 13 prisoners of war (POWs) who appeared in the anti-Kerry film Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal -- excerpts of which were broadcast by 40 Sinclair affiliate stations on October 22 as part of a Sinclair program titled A POW Story: Politics, Pressure and the Media -- Hyman claimed: "13 American POWs ... ended 31 years of self-imposed silence in order to set the record straight. These American icons rebutted Kerry's claims that his 1971 testimony accusing American servicemen of 'war crimes' ... harmed no one."

Mark Hyman, a Captain in the Navy Reserve, and executive with Sinclair Broadcasting Corp, tried to get the entire film aired on Fox affiliates and was thwarted.

[Forte Runningrock]

"It is not getting much publicity. From this release about the film, it has been screened at selected locales since August. Obviously not a boffo success."

Thank goodness for that. What would be interesting is to see what was left on the editors floor. Kerry and Fonda licking toads? LoL!

[maica]

The footage was edited over eight months to create the 95-minute movie. Screened in Cannes and Berlin, including a brief run at Cinema 2 in Manhattan, the film failed to get a TV broadcast and has been rarely seen since.

$$$$

4 days of filming took eight months of editing! Obviously there were lots of "retakes" of "testimony" sprinkled among a lot of pot-smoking and anti-social behavior.

[Northern Yankee]

I know that one of the men who testified at the Winter Soldier trials came forth in the Fall of 2004 to say that he made everything up because he needed a ride back home and was not going to get one unless he spoke out against the War.

I saw that interview. Can't remember where, but the guy sure convinced me that most of those guys were illegitimate.

[freema]

I must say, I'm not surprised.

I just said yesterday it's time for a resurrection of Kerry's lies. Too bad they beat the us to it. Too bad they're so good at projecting lies as truth.

The day after the election anyone could read the writing on the wall.

Americans can not continue to stick their heads in the sand and wish bad things away.

I'm just a little mad, can you tell.

[freema]

ping : (

[Forte Runningrock]

I can't remember the name, but some did investigate all of those so called "solders" who testified, and wrote a book.

I'm not sure, but I think there is reference to it on the Swiftie's site. there is also Steve Pitkin? who swore an afidavit that he lied, Kerry was manipulating him.
Al Hubbard, a VVAW Executive Secretary at the time , claimed to have been an Air Force Captain wounded in Vietnam piloting a transport plane. In fact, Hubbard had been a staff sergeant who was not a pilot and who was never assigned to Vietnam. His was also one of the more fabulous detailed testimonies.
That book goes through each and everyone of those liars.
I'm looking for it now, but haven't found it yet.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

From Kerry's "The New Soldier":

Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
Emotions: Walking down the flight line at Saigon past stacks of aluminum cases containing American bodies and past stacks of aluminum luggage containing American currency. Seeing the tight, sad face of an Airman loading the bodies aboard a dirty Air Force Transport and the wide smiling face of a stewardess greeting the passengers aboard a clean Pan American Clipper Jet. Hearing a Vietnamese beg you to leave his country and an American colonel tells you to bomb his country. Hearing a Vietnamese invite you to live in his home, after the war and an American explain why you can’t live in his block, after the war. Flying over barren, brown, safe American held terrain and over lush, green unsafe enemy terrain. Feeling happy to be leaving a country in which you do not belong and sad to be returning to a country in which you are not allowed to belong. Sacrificing a portion of your consciousness so you won’t have to deal with being there and building mental blocks so you won’t have to deal with having been there.

- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam. The only Vietnamese he ever met was when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation: "He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time.
And those things happen."

Free online version of
hanoi kerry's playbook "The New Soldier"
You can read it online right now.

[stand watie]

actually, she LIKELY is just a LIAR & hopes everyone is DUMB & IGNORANT enough to believe her KNOWING LIES.

free dixie,sw

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[stand watie]

GM, ma'am!

free dixie,sw

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"In Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers, Scott Swett tells the story of a former VVAW member and participant in the Winter Soldier Investigation who has now filed an affidavit stating that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam."

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=YesterdaysLies1

[Alamo-Girl]

Good morning, stand watie!!!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

hanoi kerry and his own War Crimes in Vietnam

He was in command of a Swift Boat
and ordered his men to do these things.
Listen to this 1971 audio clip in hanoi kerry's own words.

Listen Here

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Kerry2.mp3

hanoi kerry went before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in 1971
to accuse the United States military
of committing massive numbers of war crimes in Vietnam.

hanoi kerry 1971 TESTIMONY

http://www.c-span.org/vote2004/jkerrytestimony.asp

Legislative Proposals Relating to the War in Southeast Asia Thursday, April 22, 1971
United States Senate, Committee on Foreign Relations, Washington, D.C.

[stand watie]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[E.G.C.]

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