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Cameras accuse 2,600 of speeding (Orwellian Move by Democrat City Council and Mayor in Akron, OH)
Akron Beacon Journal ^ | 12/06/05 | John Higgins

Posted on 12/09/2005 6:35:35 AM PST by RockinRight

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To: RockinRight

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61 posted on 12/09/2005 8:42:47 AM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: teeman8r
are you suggesting that a police person must first observe a pedistrian before issuing any speeding ticket? Do you imply that a pedistrian who expects a slow vehicle in a school zone is at fault for this expectation or should drivers only drive slow when they see children?

If they, the average driver, did drive slow when they saw children - most of these laws would not be on the books. It is the wack jobs driving 50 or 60 on city boulevards that are the reason for speed limits. Mothers on cell phones driving 40 heading to their Car Pool pick up that are the reason for 20 mile per hour speed zones near a school.

62 posted on 12/09/2005 8:43:33 AM PST by q_an_a
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To: RockinRight

Camera on a tripod... Nothing that a baseball bat won't cure.


63 posted on 12/09/2005 8:44:51 AM PST by green iguana
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To: RockinRight
"I'm considering running for mayor against Big Don btw...seriously!!"

Great!!!
BTW, I don't believe that he wont run for Governor.

I'd like to hear your major positions and philosophies. If I don't find then signficantly disagreeable, I'd like to offer my assistence to your campaign.
64 posted on 12/09/2005 8:48:32 AM PST by z3n
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To: Fishrrman
Most "school zone" speeds _are_ nothing short of ridiculous. 20mph is too slow to expect routine compliance from most drivers, especially on a main road where the speed may be dropping from, say, 45 or 50 to 20. Usually, there is not a kid in sight. Most are arriving at school via bus or car, and seldom go anywhere _near_ the main road.

Going 20 is damn near impossible in my car unless I ride the brake...I COAST faster than that!

65 posted on 12/09/2005 8:48:53 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: StAnDeliver

OK, we recall him, and I'll run for mayor!


66 posted on 12/09/2005 8:49:12 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: q_an_a

Never said any of that. It's the way they're being enforced, and the fact that it's not much more really than a revenue generator.


67 posted on 12/09/2005 8:50:09 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: RockinRight

I got nailed by one of these unoccupied photo-radar vans in Tempe, AZ this year. Was driving a rental car - and ultimately they tracked me back to home. Got a ticket in the mail - 52mph in a 40mph zone. $165.00. The first thing I thought was that if I'm going to pay that much money - I'd prefer the full treatment - red lights/siren/live officer.


68 posted on 12/09/2005 8:51:20 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: q_an_a

Most conservatives have a healthy skepticism about government. I have seen enough abuses of the police's ticket writing power to know that most localities use that power to raise revenue. The system is structurally more open to abuses as it inherently includes some major conflicts of interest. Had the money gone to the Federal Government and not to the town itself, I'd trust the system much more. As it is the judge, police and prosecutor get paid through that money and most of the time it's not worth it for people to be represented by a lawyer or don't have the time to want to appear in court if they have a choice. Those people know that. I've been personally a victim of speeding in a school zone ON A NON-SCHOOL DAY, caught speeding on the nearly deserted 25mph stretch of road right outside my work on a SATURDAY (nobody there and the officer had the gall to tell me that they had complaints that joggers were complaining about speeders. Those joggers are from work and they jog during lunch time. There was no one there on a Saturday!). I've also gotten parking tickets in a couple of big cities when I was parked legally, but sure enough, didn't have time to go to court to fight it (there was a big scandal in NYC a few years back where meter maids were writing bad tickets on purpose and throwing away the copy that goes to the driver so that they don't know even know about it to contest it). Also, is it a coincidence that police officers are out in force the last few days of the month and writing tickets like crazy during that time? This behavior points to the possible existence of a monthly quota for these officers.

I hope I gave you enough evidence of abuse and the bad incentives baked in the system to convince you that the system of tickets can't be trusted. The examples in the article of the cameras working when they're not supposed to is another example. If they have the cameras there to discourage speeders, you'd think they'd put up warning signs before the cameras that the area is covered by cameras. The reason they don't is because it IS there for revenue purposes.


69 posted on 12/09/2005 8:52:05 AM PST by winner3000
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To: Hat-Trick

"Hey! I didn't even get to see the pretty blue lights! I'm not paying this ticket!"


70 posted on 12/09/2005 8:55:31 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: RockinRight

10,000 illegal aliens enter the USA every day, but law enforcement is ticketing US citizens for going 5 miles an hour over the speed limit.

This dying nation is gasping for air.


71 posted on 12/09/2005 8:56:49 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

That's exactly my point.


72 posted on 12/09/2005 8:57:57 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: MineralMan
Yesterday, I watched an idiot who passed me, talking on a cell phone. I was stopped for a school bus ahead of me that had its red lights flashing. The moron went by me at about 45 mph, then passed the bus without so much as taking his foot off the gas or the cell phone from his ear.

Here in Michigan, two days ago, some moron ignored a stopped school bus, and decided to pass it using the left-turn lane. He killed a 15-year old girl.

It's reported that he had a long track-record of wreckless driving offenses.

73 posted on 12/09/2005 8:59:36 AM PST by Recovering Hermit
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To: Vinnie_Vidi_Vici
The state Police Put and out of commision State Police Car on the median with a generator attached to keep the "Gumball" going.

In Saline, Michigan they frequently park a patrol car along the main road with a dummy inside.

74 posted on 12/09/2005 9:03:46 AM PST by Recovering Hermit
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To: z3n
you need a statistically extreme margin of error to mistakenly catch someone who really is not speeding.

.....ummm, you may have noticed in the article that it has already happened. Someone was ticketed for 5mph over.

75 posted on 12/09/2005 9:19:05 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Walkingfeather
would be wrong to take a stick with a cotton ball covered with vaseline and rub it on those camera lenses...... ( note.....something you can not do to a live cop)

Well, you can do it to a live cop, but they tend to struggle a bit.

76 posted on 12/09/2005 10:02:11 AM PST by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: z3n; All

Top Ten Reasons Akron is Better Than Cleveland:

10.At least our mayor isn't Frank Jackson
9. The Little Cuyahoga River is Considerably Less Flammable than the Big Cuyahoga River
8. Phil Donahue Wasn't Born Here
7. LeBron James WAS Born Here
6. 74% Less Chance of Getting Mugged or Raped
5. Not One of Our Suburb Names Ends in "Heights" (Goodyear Heights is not a suburb since it's part of Akron)
4. No I-480
3. The Rubber Bowl Lends itself to More Opportunities For Phallic Jokes than Cleveland Browns Stadium or Jacobs Field
2. Dennis Kucinich Was Never Our Mayor
1. Three Words - Lake Effect Snow


77 posted on 12/09/2005 10:04:09 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: q_an_a

speeding tickets issued only in cases of accident or injury when excessive speed is a factor. just moving swiftly through a neighborhood shouldn't be a criminal offense...

most speeding tickets, i would wager are written when there are no children around outside... either walking to or from school. motorists driving with kids around tend to go slower.

i am pointing out that most speeding tickets are given with no harm done other than a motorist exceeding a posted speed that was established without the technologies of anti-locking breaks and stabilizing computers... besides, most children are not allowed to walk to school alone for other reasons than speeding motorists.

a distracted driver moving at 20mph is more dangerous to children than an alert driver at 35mph.

teaching pedestrians that where and when they cross the street doesn't matter is just adding to the problem and yes pedestrians should never expect anything but fast moving cars when they step off the curb.

reckless driving is a subjective call, but an officer can know it when he sees it... speeding is local municipalities' golden ticket.

is it irresponsible of drivers to speed through school zones? yes. 15mph over the speed limit isn't that criminal, to an alert driver.

these cameras will be the saving grace for many local budgets... but they won't appear where legislators drive though.

teeman


78 posted on 12/09/2005 10:08:05 AM PST by teeman8r (soon government controlled speed regulators in all vehicles within school zones)
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To: RockinRight
Top Ten Reasons Akron is Better Than Cleveland:

I'm new to the area, so..........pass the popcorn!

79 posted on 12/09/2005 10:08:56 AM PST by add925
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To: RockinRight
3. The Rubber Bowl Lends itself to More Opportunities For Phallic Jokes than Cleveland Browns Stadium or Jacobs Field

The Rubber Bowl and Canal Park! Forgot to add Canal Park.

80 posted on 12/09/2005 10:11:43 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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