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Cameras accuse 2,600 of speeding (Orwellian Move by Democrat City Council and Mayor in Akron, OH)
Akron Beacon Journal ^ | 12/06/05 | John Higgins

Posted on 12/09/2005 6:35:35 AM PST by RockinRight

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To: bikerman

Dynamite works better! Just make sure you were'nt one of the last motorists, some of these cameras transfer the images automatically over a remote line for exactly this reason. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Wait a few hours, or better yet, preemptive revenge in this case may be called for.


41 posted on 12/09/2005 7:36:53 AM PST by CBF ('' .... behind every blade of grass.'')
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To: Beelzebubba
"but "slow down" is not very good safety advice"

I don't really wish to argue that point as I feel it's moot in this discussion. If you want to change the laws, go about trying to change them.
If you think the fines are unjust, rail against them.
My point is that it is law, and the government has the right to enforce them as long as they are not convicting the innocent.
42 posted on 12/09/2005 7:38:36 AM PST by z3n
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To: RockinRight

That's a good point. I've been in some areas where speed limits on semi-rural roads are reduced to 35 mph by statute -- in any area with a certain density of residential driveways.


43 posted on 12/09/2005 7:40:05 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: RockinRight

it would be wrong to take a stick with a cotton ball covered with vaseline and rub it on those camera lenses...... ( note.....something you can not do to a live cop)


44 posted on 12/09/2005 7:42:26 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: RockinRight

When I lived in New Jersey, The state Police Put and out of commision State Police Car on the median with a generator attached to keep the "Gumball" going. It worked for a week, then I saw that someone had chucked a cinder block through the rear window, at speed.


45 posted on 12/09/2005 7:43:31 AM PST by Vinnie_Vidi_Vici
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To: q_an_a

Mainly because most speed limits are set by an arbitrary, statuatorial standard instead of a sensible number. To increase revenue.


46 posted on 12/09/2005 7:43:42 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: RockinRight

The fact that people are speeding through a school zone is sickening to me. Yes its going to piss people off, but those people were caught and fined.

If you even go 1 mph over the speed limit in a school zone you should receive a ticket. Frankly any ticket you get for speeding is going to be +$150.

If the tickets are being issued prior to the school zone being 20 MPH that would be an easy thing to correct. Those persons should challenge the ticket and have them dismissed.

Now the big question is will the city send notices to those who received tickets between the 2 and 2:30 hour and tell them that their ticket was a mistake and that it should be ignored? Tax revenue (speeding ticket) is hard to turn down for any politician.


47 posted on 12/09/2005 7:44:17 AM PST by PureTrouble
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To: z3n

I hope so.

Akron has always (unwillingly) played the role of "Cleveland's Little B*tch." Akron is the 5th largest city in Ohio, 82nd largest in the US, but it's often thought of as a little pinprick on the map. It's not as big as Cleveland, or Cincinnati, but our proximity to Cleveland has dwarfed us.

Akron is bigger than:

Dayton
Des Moines
Rochester
Syracuse
Colorado Springs
Orlando (city proper-but not metro area)

But all these cities are thought of as bigger than Akron. Just a little peeve of mine. It amazes me how people seem to think Akron's just a big suburb of Cleveland even though Akron has suburbs of it's own.


48 posted on 12/09/2005 7:46:48 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: PureTrouble

I'm not even saying that speed limits in school zones are wrong, just that the way they're being enforced is nuts-it's a slippery slope.


49 posted on 12/09/2005 7:48:16 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: MineralMan

"Up ahead, though, was a St. Paul city cop. When I drove on, after the bus moved, the cop had the guy pulled over and was explaining to him why he was getting his ticket. It's a very expensive ticket, too, and can actually be a "gross misdemeanor," which carries an even higher fine."

Next to DWI, passing a stopped school bus is the next most serious traffic offense in NC.


50 posted on 12/09/2005 7:50:32 AM PST by Rebelbase (Food stamps, section-8, State paid Child support, etc. pay more than the min. wage.)
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To: z3n

I don't really wish to argue that point as I feel it's moot in this discussion. If you want to change the laws, go about trying to change them.



Most speed limits are contrary to the law adopted in most states for settting limits.


51 posted on 12/09/2005 7:53:08 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: q_an_a

we will all be law breakers with the advancement of more intrusive laws...

speed limits are set for safety of pedestrians, yet tickets are given when no pedestrians are injured... no harm, should there be a fine? if so... then aren't we all up for possible manslaughter charges every time we get behind the wheel?

jmh thoughts

teeman


52 posted on 12/09/2005 7:54:43 AM PST by teeman8r
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To: RockinRight

What is more important is that in terms relative to the other metropolitan centers in the region (most namely cleveland, canton, and youngstown), Akron has its act together. Very much so when compared to cleveland. And Akrons central location, large university, and more proactive economic positions, are the reason why I can see Akron continuing to grow relative to cleveland.


53 posted on 12/09/2005 7:57:27 AM PST by z3n
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To: z3n

Hooray! At least one poster here gets it...
These people are speeding, as in, driving faster than the posted speed limit. As in... NOT obeying the law. Duh.
Where I live, high end SUV's speedily parade 35, 45, even 55, in a 25. Bring on the cameras.
We lived in CH (Switzerland) and the police there have similar cameras on the FREEWAYS. Speed... and just wait a week, there's your tickit in the mail.
Sorry to other posters,, but speeding destroys civility, and I haven't noticed a dearth of it of late.
PS: I love the big-honking, bunker-buster class SUV's in our nut-case liberal area with the leftover Kerry bumber stickers, that thoughlessly (it comes easy for them) do 45 in our 25. Pick and choose the laws, yea, that's it.
In summary: SLOW DOWN


54 posted on 12/09/2005 7:58:08 AM PST by pattern-of-freedom
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To: z3n

OOPS... dearth should read "oversupply".
There's a dearth of coffee in me this AM, apologies for the upside-down vocab!


55 posted on 12/09/2005 8:02:11 AM PST by pattern-of-freedom
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To: Beelzebubba
Beelzebubba writes:
It may be the third rail of traffic politics to say it, but:
School zone speed limits are generally ridiculous. Most kids can be taught by a certain age how to deal with traffic, and the rest can be kept safely inside fenced playgrounds.

Hear! Hear! I was thinking of posting exactly the same thought, but you got there first, so I'll elaborate.

Most "school zone" speeds _are_ nothing short of ridiculous. 20mph is too slow to expect routine compliance from most drivers, especially on a main road where the speed may be dropping from, say, 45 or 50 to 20. Usually, there is not a kid in sight. Most are arriving at school via bus or car, and seldom go anywhere _near_ the main road.

As a point of contrast, I've seen one of these 20mph school zones on Route 209 north of Marshall's Creek, PA. The actual school facilities are set a good 200 feet back from the highway. Yet, go up Route 22 in NY state to the Cherry Plain area, and there's another school set about the same distance from the road, and the speed limit there is nothing shy of 55 - no "reduced speed" at all, _because_ it is a highway.

When I was a kid growing up (over 50 years ago!), mothers taught their kids to STAY OUT OF THE ROAD when a car was coming. That was a pretty basic thing to learn. Why can't kids be taught that way _today_?

Same thing with pedestrian crossings. I learned that if a car was coming, you stayed put until the road was clear, and _then_ you crossed the street. Go to somewhere like Great Barrington, MA, and the arrogant folks up there will walk right out in front of you as you approach them, expecting _you_ to slam on the brakes and stop.

Rant off....
- John

56 posted on 12/09/2005 8:02:57 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: RockinRight
Remember that Boy Mayor Krunchy barely missed being recalled by 236 votes....what's good enough for Cleveland is good enough for Akron....

Q.: Can a city official be recalled in Ohio?
A.: Yes. The ORC provides that any elective officer of a municipality may be removed from office by qualified voters as long as that official has served at least one year of his or her term. [Jan. 2006 for Plusquellic] Although state law allows cities to hold recall elections, any particular city’s charter may either allow or forbid such an election. The wording of the city charter determines whether recall is an option.

Q.: Assuming a city’s charter allows it, how can a city official be recalled in Ohio?
A.: In Ohio, a petition must be signed by qualified voters. By law, the number of signatures required must equal at least 15 percent of the total votes cast at the most recent municipal election. In the petition, the voters demand that the city official in question be removed in favor of another official to be chosen by the voters in a recall election. This petition must be filed with the board of elections. If the board of elections finds the petition to be valid and the official in question does not resign from office within five days, then the lawmaking authority in that city may set a day for a recall election. The recall election is held 30 to 40 days after the petition is validated.

Q.: Would I be voting for one person over another in a recall election, like in a regular election?
A.: No. You actually have two separate votes. The first vote asks you to decide, with a “yes” or “no” vote, whether you wish to remove the official from office. The second vote asks you to select, from a list of qualified candidates, a successor for that official. The second vote is considered only if the first vote results in the removal of the official. The official who voters are being asked to recall may not include his or her name as one of these candidates to be considered.

Q.: How would a successor candidate qualify for the ballot?
A.: In a recall election, there is no primary election. Rather, a candidate who wants to replace the incumbent must file his or her intent to run for office with the board of elections at least 20 days before the special election. Each candidate must provide a petition with signatures equal to 10 percent of the total votes cast at the most recent regular municipal election. Call your local board of elections to get the exact number of signatures required.

Q.: How many votes are needed to recall an official?
A.: If a majority of voters decide the official should be removed, then the official will be removed. Whoever is chosen to succeed the official will then hold office for the remainder of the recalled official’s unexpired term.


57 posted on 12/09/2005 8:11:33 AM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: RockinRight

are you saying that a RED Light or a 20 mile per hour school zone is wrong by reason of who voted for it? What would you susgggest in palce of a red light? how fast should you drive in a school zone where a car going 25 can drag a kid 50 feet before a full stop?


58 posted on 12/09/2005 8:36:24 AM PST by q_an_a
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To: z3n

I'm considering running for mayor against Big Don btw...seriously!!


59 posted on 12/09/2005 8:41:46 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: RockinRight

A ticket for no front license plate is about a hundred bucks. One ticket every five years makes it well worth it.


60 posted on 12/09/2005 8:42:24 AM PST by RobRoy ("They're trying to find themselves an audience, their deductions need applause.")
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