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Cameras accuse 2,600 of speeding (Orwellian Move by Democrat City Council and Mayor in Akron, OH)
Akron Beacon Journal ^ | 12/06/05 | John Higgins

Posted on 12/09/2005 6:35:35 AM PST by RockinRight

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This is sickening. Anyone who listens to Quinn and Rose on 640AM Akron (or on another station in their hometown of Pittsburgh) heard Jim talking about this today.
1 posted on 12/09/2005 6:35:36 AM PST by RockinRight
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Akron City Councilman Garry Moneypenny, D-10, said he agrees that Akron police need more enforcement, but the system needs adjustments.

This joker is, unfortunately, my councilman.

2 posted on 12/09/2005 6:37:33 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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not for long as this will really piss people off.


3 posted on 12/09/2005 6:39:23 AM PST by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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A baseball bat at the back of the tripod mounted camera would slow it down I bet.
4 posted on 12/09/2005 6:40:53 AM PST by bikerman
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This is sickening. Anyone who listens to Quinn and Rose on 640AM Akron (or on another station in their hometown of Pittsburgh) heard Jim talking about this today.

Yes...... and I love that caller, Joe from Akron, who calls often (this is Thom at The Ranch).

The whole scam in Akron is just more money taken out of the citizens' hands/private sector and put into the black socialist hole of government.

Gotta go .............

5 posted on 12/09/2005 6:41:11 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? // “Victory is not a strategy”)
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It can't be a revenue stream. It's supposed to be -- and it ought to be -- for traffic safety.''

Any power given to the government WILL be abused. I hope they pass that law in the legislature banning this crap.


6 posted on 12/09/2005 6:41:46 AM PST by winner3000
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To: RockinRight

Houston just added some red light cameras (and has been requiring mandatory tows on the freeways).

As to red light and speedzone cameras, I believe that officers who violate the law and ARE NOT ON CALL should also face repercusions when they violate the same laws. Since the images are time stamped, it should be quite easy to check against their log books to see what sort of emergencies they were responding to.

Freedom of information should make such information available to the public.

Get the police unions to fight against these cameras (they would never stand for prosecution of their ranks).


7 posted on 12/09/2005 6:41:58 AM PST by weegee (Christmas - the holiday that dare not speak its name.)
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"Moneypenny, a Springfield Township police captain, said he will suggest that the city use the ticket money to buy digital message boards that tell drivers how fast they are going."

We have those all over Saint Paul, MN. They're actually pretty cool. Drivers slow down dramatically when they see the speed they're going.

The ticketing is another matter, I suppose. However, I have a real beef against drivers who speed in school zones. There's just no excuse for it.

Yesterday, I watched an idiot who passed me, talking on a cell phone. I was stopped for a school bus ahead of me that had its red lights flashing. The moron went by me at about 45 mph, then passed the bus without so much as taking his foot off the gas or the cell phone from his ear.

Worse, there were kids from the bus in the crosswalk getting ready to cross the street.

Up ahead, though, was a St. Paul city cop. When I drove on, after the bus moved, the cop had the guy pulled over and was explaining to him why he was getting his ticket. It's a very expensive ticket, too, and can actually be a "gross misdemeanor," which carries an even higher fine.


8 posted on 12/09/2005 6:42:08 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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Moneypenny, a Springfield Township police captain

Moneypenny is not worth a plug nickel.

9 posted on 12/09/2005 6:44:55 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? // “Victory is not a strategy”)
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"Moneypenny is not worth a plug nickel."

Uh, OK.


10 posted on 12/09/2005 6:47:06 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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I used to live on Moneypenny's street. We CHOSE to live in Ellet, but since he couldn't win in Ellet, he annexed our block into Goodyear Heights.


11 posted on 12/09/2005 6:47:25 AM PST by Keith Burwell
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Quinn is excellent....however, have mixed feelings about the cameras.

Traffic tickets/stops are both dangerous and time-consuming for law enforcement. Speeding is not a major crime in anyone's book (within reason), but I'd rather have "da law" be more available for:

1) Bustin' dealers
2) Bustin' crooked politicians (Summit Co., alert)
3) Bustin' theives
4) Generally be more available

The BIG question will be, will crime go down because of more police availability? If it doesn't next year.....pull the plug (or perhaps Louisville Slugger?).

12 posted on 12/09/2005 6:50:49 AM PST by add925
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You know something, I have some very libertarian tendancies. (also, it should be known that I live very near to where this story focuses).
But I can't figure out what people's problems are! HELLO! Don't freakin' speed you idiots! Afterall, we're talking about school zones here, not your favorite autobon. I know full well that most replies to my point will include the 'slippery slope' arguement. Go ahead. Still, if you race past a school zone, you deserve a ticket. These cameras are calibrated for giving drivers an extra 8MPH (you can do 8 over the limit), and there have been warnings in the news for months that these cameras were going to go into effect. (I even got an email about it).

So slow the hell down!

BTW, since these cameras are in front of schools, I think atleast half of the proceeds from the tickets should go to the akron city school system.
13 posted on 12/09/2005 6:51:51 AM PST by z3n
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The article said people were being ticketed for as little as 5 over the limit.

A point Quinn made was that you can't argue these in court because your witness is a MACHINE!


14 posted on 12/09/2005 6:59:55 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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Shucks. Just cancelled my vacation plans to Akron.


15 posted on 12/09/2005 7:00:55 AM PST by ONETWOONE (onetwoone)
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I agree with you. Most posted speed limits are "statutory formalities" that have nothing to do with safety -- i.e., the speed limit for the road is based on a motor vehicle regulation for a broad roadway classification rather than on the design elements of the specific roadway in question. As such, any enforcement of speed limits is pretty much a revenue collection process rather than a process aimed at improving motor vehicle safety.

Speed limits near schools are a different matter entirely -- as there is a clear and compelling need for these lower speed limits to be in place. I really don't have any sympathy for anyone who exceeds the speed limit in a school zone -- regardless of how their violation was identified. And that school board member who was cited for speeding should be fired immediately.

16 posted on 12/09/2005 7:01:04 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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Ignore the politics, come for our sunshine and scenery!

LOL


17 posted on 12/09/2005 7:04:12 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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A point Quinn made was that you can't argue these in court because your witness is a MACHINE!

I don't know how this equipment works, but what I would do (for legal use) is for the camera to take 2 shots at precisely calibrated time increments.

The use of such evidence of 2 photos in court would be virtually undisuadable in court, unless you argue that the timing of the two photos (or the measurement of distance traveled in them) is erroneous.

Something like that would make MACHINE evidence reviewable on a case by case basis in court by humans.
18 posted on 12/09/2005 7:05:20 AM PST by z3n
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You said, " These cameras are calibrated for giving drivers an extra 8MPH....."

The article said, "One person was going only 5 mph over a 20 mph limit."

If what you say is true, then the camera systems have a calibration problem. That is my beef against automated systems. The red light systems in San Francisco and Washington, D.C., when they first installed them, demonstrated that city governments can not be trusted for proper maintenance and honest calibration.


19 posted on 12/09/2005 7:05:39 AM PST by jimtorr
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Until a few years back, I believe that many ruralish roads in suburban cities like Aurora, Streetsboro, and Green were set at 35 just because it was in an incorporated city and no other reason. The roads were state routes that were suburban/rural in nature and not at all like what one would think of as a "city" street except perhaps in the areas of town where offices and stores were located (which was not along the entire road, maybe a half-mile worth of a 6 mile route).

I do think now they can go up to 50 on some of these roads.


20 posted on 12/09/2005 7:06:25 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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