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What happens to a gang member fortunate enough to grow old?
ap on Monterey Herald ^ | 12/3/05 | Hugo Kugiya - ap

Posted on 12/04/2005 10:23:50 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 12/04/2005 10:23:52 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Reading between the lines, I see the message: Free Tookie!!!


2 posted on 12/04/2005 10:37:10 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: NormsRevenge
"The gangs grew out of poverty and despair."

Correction - they grew out of despair.

What is this obsession about poor people being violent? I will tell you....

The upper middle class wants to distinguish itself as different and better. Thus, they promote nasty images of rednecks, racists, gangs, and a generally vile underclass.

It's BS. "Poor people" live good, modest, and disciplined lives. Somehow, not aspiring to money and shallow yuppie-dom has become a sign of degeneracy.

Well, now I have told you how that is.

3 posted on 12/04/2005 10:37:12 AM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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>>It was the day of Shaft and Superfly, and those things had an effect on us.

And people say movies have no effect on kids...

I remember committing several crimes after the movie "Colors" came out.. We wanted to be thugs...
(I was never caught either..)


5 posted on 12/04/2005 10:52:29 AM PST by 1stFreedom (zx1)
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To: ClearCase_guy

That message may be there, but I didn't see it. If any of these guys had expressed even the slightest notion of that, I think the reporter would have spun it up pretty good.


6 posted on 12/04/2005 10:52:53 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: SteveMcKing

Great point well made. "Not aspiring to shallow yuppie-hood".


7 posted on 12/04/2005 10:53:36 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: ClearCase_guy
Nowhere in this article does it say that Chico Brown murdered 4 people. That is why this Tookie character must die, regardless of how much he has "changed" since he entered prison. His "change" will not give these people their lives back.

I certainly hope Mr. Schwarzenager sees that difference.

8 posted on 12/04/2005 10:55:55 AM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: NormsRevenge
....his father left the family....

People are always talking about "root causes". Well, right there you see a root cause.

90% of the time when you talk to thugs you get the same story. Dad is not in the picture.

9 posted on 12/04/2005 10:58:35 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (When the First Amendment was written dueling was common and legal. Think about it.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Showing his age, he blames rap videos.

While they don't help the matter, they are not to blame.

10 posted on 12/04/2005 10:58:56 AM PST by technochick99 (Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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"It gave them high profile, a seat at the politician's table and (I suspect) a bit of disguise to keep up some chosen activities "
In Denver he is called "Rev." Leon Kelly. Honorary bleeding cripple or crippled bleeder, whichever gang.


11 posted on 12/04/2005 11:05:40 AM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: ClearCase_guy

Let Tookie go in Monterey!


12 posted on 12/04/2005 12:44:31 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: 1stFreedom

Honestly, I think he's using the influence of movies on him as an excuse. Along with being poor. I once lived in the projects of Oak Park in Sacramento, CA. I didn't become a gang member because of it. Even today, I'm still not rich, but I obey the law.


13 posted on 12/04/2005 12:56:42 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I've reached the same conclusion.


14 posted on 12/04/2005 1:13:56 PM PST by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: SteveMcKing

I was a street cop in the area that the crips got started in when they got started. Between 1971 and 1972 when I was working that area I arrested each and every one of them at some point during that year (there were less than 50 of them then).

Some of the nicest people I ever met were in that neighborhood, so it isn't just "poverty". These animals wanted to be animals, and yes they were killing people right from the start. It wasn't just fists, there were drive bys going on.


15 posted on 12/04/2005 1:30:08 PM PST by stumpy
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Thanks for confirming my memories. I remember hearing of, and seeing these guys in 1973 and thereafter. They weren't just hanging out in their own neighborhood. They were thugs, taking their thuggery, crimes, and threats to cities throughout LA County. This was never "good clean fun" as the article suggests.


16 posted on 12/04/2005 4:00:13 PM PST by calcowgirl
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That is for sure. I transferred from Lennox up to the desert to Antelope Valley in 1972 and a couple of months later was assigned to day shift. The first car I stopped that morning had "monkey man", one of the crips I delt with at Lennox in the Vermont area. He was as amazed to see me as I was to see him. I told him I'd been assigned to follow him throughout the county so I could shoot him during a robbery. Never saw him in the Antelope Valley again.


17 posted on 12/04/2005 4:37:37 PM PST by stumpy
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>>Honestly, I think he's using the influence of movies on him as an excuse.

I disagree. However, the movies *bring out* and or *re-inforce* the disposition of the person. So, the movies didn't take an angel and in 2 hours turn him into a devil. But they may have took a kid on the brink and released the devil in him....



18 posted on 12/04/2005 4:37:53 PM PST by 1stFreedom (zx1)
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I told him I'd been assigned to follow him throughout the county so I could shoot him during a robbery.

ROFL! Good move!

19 posted on 12/04/2005 4:52:56 PM PST by calcowgirl
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Wow! I salute you. At least you tried, and you surely made a good difference to some of them...


20 posted on 12/04/2005 5:03:52 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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