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The Savage Nation vs. the Bushbots
www.homestead.com ^ | 7/21/05 | PAUL MULSHINE

Posted on 11/28/2005 5:03:33 PM PST by mastercylinder

Edited on 11/28/2005 5:07:49 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Al Franken and the other liberals are probably still wondering why they had such little luck in their efforts to start a talk-radio network to bash George Bush from the left. They didn't consider the obvious explanation. George Bush has his left flank nicely covered. It's on the right that he's weak.

That is the theory of Michael Savage. Savage is the most right-wing of the right-wing talkers on the national airwaves at the moment. He is based in San Francisco, but he can be heard in the New York area on WOR in the evenings. He is a welcome change from those Karl Rove clones Hush Bimbo and Sean Vanity.

"Hush Bimbo" and "Sean Vanity" are the names Savage has pinned on Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity of WABC. In doing so, he has sparked a war between the members of his "Savage Nation" (slogan: "Borders, language, culture") and the so-called "Bushbots," that sizable number of gullible Americans who can be convinced that whatever policy Bush adopts is a conservative policy.

"What makes Bush a conservative?" Savage asked when I got him on the phone the other day. "On the economy, Bush has got more governmental workers than anybody before him. He's ballooned the government."

As regards the so-called "war on terror," Savage points out that you can't win a war when you're afraid even to name the enemy.

"He's never mentioned Islamofascism," said Savage.

No, he hasn't. Even the French have been more willing to defend their borders, language and culture than Bush. He's a multiculturalist and a mushy one at that. Instead of reducing the reach of Islamic fundamentalism, Bush has managed in Iraq to get 1,700 Americans killed in a war that will create yet another Islamic republic. Just yesterday we learned that the new constitution in Iraq will incorporate sharia, Islamic law.

That's why we right-wing commentators believe the Iraq war has been the biggest blunder in America's military history. As for Bimbo and Vanity, if I may employ Savage's labels, they are simply too uneducated to realize that the Iraq war represents a failed liberal exercise in nation-building.

"There is no college in Rush. There is no college in Hannity," said Savage. "He's a high school dropout. It's like listening to an uneducated, unthinking man on the radio."

Savage has a Ph.D. from Berkeley in epidemiology, an extremely challenging field. That makes him a bit overqualified for the verbal pro-wrestling matches that make up talk radio. But it also makes him interesting.

The Bushbots don't think so. On their Web sites, they call Savage a bigot and a racist, two terms the employment of which generally indicate that the speaker is losing an argument. Savage is a hero on those Web sites that attack Bush's open-borders approach to immigration. "Rush Limbaugh is a direct link to his president, El Traitor, Senor Bush," wrote one blogger. "The invasion by illegals has been going on now for a long time."

"You are 100 percent correct," said another of Limbaugh and Hannity. "They are nothing but blind, rubber-stamping followers of El Presidente Bush."

All of this is a lot of fun if you don't take it seriously. I certainly don't. But I do find talk radio to be a good barometer of the nation's mood. And the nation is slowly figuring out that the Bush-neoconservative-Troskyite- internationalist view of foreign affairs has not worked out so swimmingly for the good old U.S. of A.

"Bush is melting down our borders and making us into a polyglot nation in which no one speaks the language," says Savage.

Savage hears a lot from people who say that any criticism of Bush is a mark of disloyalty to conservatism.

"I can't stand listening to people who want me to be a lapdog for Bush," he told me. "We're supposed to be watchdogs, not lapdogs."

As for the rest of the radio talkers, "They may as well work for the Republican Party. There's nothing interesting if you can predict what a man's going to say by just going to the GOP Web site."

He's certainly got that right. Listening to an endless rehash of Karl Rove's talking points, leavened by a few Teddy Kennedy-is-a-drunk jokes, is not very entertaining.

As for the Al Franken approach, how can a nation-building, internationalist multiculturalist get any traction by criticizing another nation-building, internationalist multiculturalist? John Kerry had that problem as well, you might have noticed.

When you attack the Bush-Rove spin from the right, however, you realize that the neocons' grand social experiment has been tried most visibly in Iraq and has failed most visibly there. People are starting to notice. Eventually even the Bushbots may get a clue.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bush; bushbot; duplicatepost; hehasitright; kook; savage; talkradio; weinerbots
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1 posted on 11/28/2005 5:03:34 PM PST by mastercylinder
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To: mastercylinder

Breaking news: Michael Savage is a KOOK.


2 posted on 11/28/2005 5:05:02 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: mastercylinder
"What makes Bush a conservative?" Savage asked when I got him on the phone the other day. "On the economy, Bush has got more governmental workers than anybody before him. He's ballooned the government."

As regards the so-called "war on terror," Savage points out that you can't win a war when you're afraid even to name the enemy.

"He's never mentioned Islamofascism," said Savage.

I have to agree.

3 posted on 11/28/2005 5:06:30 PM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: airborne

me too


4 posted on 11/28/2005 5:07:30 PM PST by mastercylinder (Evolution: Taking care of those too stupid to take care of themselves.)
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To: mastercylinder
"The Bushbots don't think so. On their Web sites, they call Savage a bigot and a racist, two terms the employment of which generally indicate that the speaker is losing an argument."

Or is a democrat.

5 posted on 11/28/2005 5:07:34 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: mastercylinder

"There is no college in Rush. He's a high school dropout. It's like listening to an uneducated, unthinking man on the radio."

Michael.... your envy is showing.


6 posted on 11/28/2005 5:07:43 PM PST by jdm
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To: mastercylinder

It goes far beyond Savage listeners.


7 posted on 11/28/2005 5:07:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: mastercylinder

Oooooo! THAT'S gonna leave a MARK!


8 posted on 11/28/2005 5:08:22 PM PST by HKMk23 (FOR SALE: French Army standard issue infantry rifles. Dropped once. Never fired.)
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To: jveritas

And you are being very kind sir


9 posted on 11/28/2005 5:08:39 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: mastergibs; neutronsgalore

Savage ping!


10 posted on 11/28/2005 5:08:52 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: airborne
He's never mentioned Islamofascism," said Savage.

Pres. Bush mentioned Islamofascism in his recent speech.

11 posted on 11/28/2005 5:09:06 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: jveritas

Why?


12 posted on 11/28/2005 5:09:16 PM PST by fhlh (Polls are for strippers and liberal spinsters.)
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To: mastercylinder
"He's never mentioned Islamofascism," said Savage.

Yes he has.

13 posted on 11/28/2005 5:10:18 PM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: Stepan12
You're right!

"Some call this evil Islamic radicalism; others, militant Jihadism; still others, Islamofascism," Bush explained.

14 posted on 11/28/2005 5:10:56 PM PST by jdm
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To: mastercylinder

This has been posted a bunch of times since July. Yada yada...


15 posted on 11/28/2005 5:11:34 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: jveritas
And I keep wondering what makes Savage a conservative.

Hyperbole is a bad habit, and makes a man untrustworthy and radical. What makes Rush great is that you can trust his judgment.

Savage is correct about the borders, as are Rush and Hannity. But Savage's nastiness and envy at others' success make him an honorary liberal, in my opinion.

16 posted on 11/28/2005 5:11:50 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Stepan12
Pres. Bush mentioned Islamofascism in his recent speech

Doesn't matter since this a retread article from earlier this year.

Gotta keep the far left/right reactionaries fed with red meat don't you know.

BTW all, savage(i.e michael wiener) is also an envirowhacko.

17 posted on 11/28/2005 5:12:06 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: SunStar

So it's still interesting.


18 posted on 11/28/2005 5:12:47 PM PST by mastercylinder (Evolution: Taking care of those too stupid to take care of themselves.)
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To: jveritas

"There is no college in Rush. There is no college in Hannity," said Savage. "He's a high school dropout. It's like listening to an uneducated, unthinking man on the radio."

Well. Aren't WE getting all hoity toity.


19 posted on 11/28/2005 5:13:46 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: mastercylinder
"We're supposed to be watchdogs, not lapdogs."

Well said, Michael Savage.

Most of those who criticize Michael Savage do so because they are just so darn embarrassed on what Bush has done, and the very accurate comments Savage makes about those Bush actions. The more embarrassed the "lapdogs" become, the more they criticize Savage.

Michael Savage tells it the way it is.

20 posted on 11/28/2005 5:14:03 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Kimmers

I know :)


21 posted on 11/28/2005 5:14:05 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: jveritas
Michael Savage....The Herbal Years.

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22 posted on 11/28/2005 5:14:46 PM PST by jdm
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To: mastercylinder
I am more than a little tired of self-proclaimed experts, on the left and the right, who denounce those who disagree with their divinely appointed and thoroughly unassailable opinions as "robots" and "mindless." Believe it or not, there are intelligent people in this world that can and do disagree with Michael Savage and Michael Moore.
23 posted on 11/28/2005 5:14:57 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: cripplecreek

Savage is totally in love with himself. He reeks of vanity, self-promotion and imagines himself an intellectual giant. I can't listen to his voice without wanting to take a shower.


24 posted on 11/28/2005 5:14:59 PM PST by caffe (Hey, dems, you finally have an opportunity to vote!!!)
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To: caffe

You have my sympathies little lady.


25 posted on 11/28/2005 5:16:09 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
Most of those who criticize Michael Savage do so because they are just so darn embarrassed on what Bush has done, and the very accurate comments Savage makes about those Bush actions. The more embarrassed the "lapdogs" become, the more they criticize Savage

Gee how much are you going to charge for that and how much does weiner(savage) get back as a kickback.

26 posted on 11/28/2005 5:16:17 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

27 posted on 11/28/2005 5:16:17 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: Stepan12

I stand corrected. It just took 4 years, but he did.


28 posted on 11/28/2005 5:16:52 PM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
Michael Savage tells it the way it is.

yes he does

29 posted on 11/28/2005 5:19:48 PM PST by mastercylinder (Evolution: Taking care of those too stupid to take care of themselves.)
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To: jdm

"Some call this......"

He didn't own the remark. Savage is quite correct. It's a demure.


30 posted on 11/28/2005 5:19:53 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: cripplecreek
I agree...........he is a bit extreme, but his common sense can't be dismissed. "Borders, Language, and culture." Without borders their are no nations. Multiculturalism is killing western Europe. One common language........that's pretty obvious. I also love Savage's view of the homeless and drug problem.
31 posted on 11/28/2005 5:20:18 PM PST by fisherman90814
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To: mastercylinder
Savage, right wing? Thats an insult to right wingers. He is more a ding-a-ling. Seriously, he should follow the instructions on his medication more carefully. Sanity is achievable, even for Savage.
32 posted on 11/28/2005 5:20:26 PM PST by FFIGHTER (Character Matters!)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

yes......Savage always has some very salient points but he sometimes goes so far overboard with his inane remarks that the message is lost in his vitriol....being in the Bay Area, I used to be a big fan...but he has become much too abrasive....too bad for a man that by all other accounts is a genius.......


33 posted on 11/28/2005 5:20:46 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: mastercylinder; HitmanNY

Michael Savage is tolerable for about 15 minutes. He needs to take his Meds on a more regular basis instead of the herbal crap he takes.


34 posted on 11/28/2005 5:21:31 PM PST by Clemenza (Ticking Away the Moments that Make up the Dog Day)
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To: Clemenza

SAVAGE!!!!!


35 posted on 11/28/2005 5:22:00 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: mastercylinder

While I agree with much of what he says, the guy is, plain and simple, an a$$hole. Major league.


36 posted on 11/28/2005 5:22:44 PM PST by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: mastercylinder

Me three


37 posted on 11/28/2005 5:22:50 PM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: jdm

LOL......


38 posted on 11/28/2005 5:23:08 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: mastercylinder

Michael Savage resonates.

He resonates by sticking his head up his butt and listening to the echo of his own voice.

Weiner Nation is off the coast of Antarctica.


40 posted on 11/28/2005 5:24:06 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: jdm

Your link is for subscribers only.


41 posted on 11/28/2005 5:24:09 PM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: fisherman90814

I don't even listen to the guy. I'm just tired of desperate attempts of the bots to intimidate the rest of us into obedience. I grew up in a country where the party serves the people not the other way around.


42 posted on 11/28/2005 5:24:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: jdm
Michael.... your envy is showing.

Everytime my husband and I try to listen to Savage we get soooo turned off by his envy of Rush. It's not an intellectual disagreement, its just plain old ugly envy. That's all we hear when we listen to Savage.

43 posted on 11/28/2005 5:24:58 PM PST by Grenada
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To: mastercylinder; airborne; SamuraiScot; Dont_Tread_On_Me_888; caffe; fallujah-nuker; FFIGHTER
The scorn directed at Mike Savage is nothing less than shame of Western society, programmed feelings of liberal guilt directed toward our very culture -- feelings that were instilled through public policy, social engineering, and top-down control of the media.

We are scared to be proud for fear that we might be wrong, might be hateful, might be violent or racist - despite that we are none of those things.

Borders, language, and culture - OH MY!

Borders, language, and culture - OH MY!

Borders, language, and culture - OH MY!


44 posted on 11/28/2005 5:25:14 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: airborne

Try this one:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/10/20051006-3.html


45 posted on 11/28/2005 5:25:33 PM PST by A.Hun (Liberal mantra: ""tell new lies, but keep the old.....one is silver and the other's gold")
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
Most of those who criticize Michael Savage do so ...

... because he's a mealy-mouthed whiner whose annoying voice masks an inaptitude for sustained thought. Sorry -- I gave mikey his chance and came away disgusted.

46 posted on 11/28/2005 5:26:27 PM PST by r9etb
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To: A.Hun

thank you


47 posted on 11/28/2005 5:26:50 PM PST by mastercylinder (Evolution: Taking care of those too stupid to take care of themselves.)
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To: mastercylinder

Sure.


48 posted on 11/28/2005 5:28:31 PM PST by A.Hun (Liberal mantra: ""tell new lies, but keep the old.....one is silver and the other's gold")
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To: mastercylinder
Michael Savage is the Al Franken of the Right.
49 posted on 11/28/2005 5:28:58 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: SteveMcKing

No, disdain for the rants of the messenger.

When the messenger attempts to become bigger than the message, the message is lost.

Even Stalin's broken watch was right twice a day.


50 posted on 11/28/2005 5:30:00 PM PST by FFIGHTER (Character Matters!)
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