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Beluga ban boosts domestic caviar farming [Economics 101 and the benefits of private ownership]
Yahoo News ^ | Nov 17, 2005 | Laura Zuckerman

Posted on 11/25/2005 4:37:35 PM PST by grundle

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An interesting lesson for Economics 101.

Hunting animals in the wild makes their populations get smaller.

Raising animals on private farms makes their populations get bigger.

1 posted on 11/25/2005 4:37:36 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle
An interesting lesson for Economics 101.
Hunting animals in the wild makes their populations get smaller.

Uh, not to be rude, but Horsesh*t. Are you brain dead?

First - Wild animals do not conform to economic models.

Second - Hunting animals in the wild ensure their survivability, not the converse.

If you do not know that, then you are another Kool Aid drinker who has zero intimate knowledge of the wildlife population & balance other than what you have been spoon fed by the usual suspects.
2 posted on 11/25/2005 4:48:28 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952

It's just that I always hear environmentalists complaining about poaching, overhuntng, and overfishing. And I think that private farming offers a good solution to those problems.


3 posted on 11/25/2005 4:58:16 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

Do the fish have to be sacrificed to get the eggs?


4 posted on 11/25/2005 5:02:49 PM PST by TASMANIANRED ("You cannot kill hope with bombs and bullets." Sgt Clay.)
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To: bill1952

"Uh, not to be rude, but Horsesh*t. Are you brain dead?"

First, you're rude as hell.

And wild animals sure do conform to economic models.

Too many hunters = less animals.

Too many animals equals not enough hunters.

Try reading economics 101.




5 posted on 11/25/2005 5:02:54 PM PST by sergeantdave (Member of the Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: bill1952

Man, a ten year payoff. It would take a heap of $$ to start one of these farms! It would be cool if you could get a hold of the same breed of sturgen as the wild ones in Russa. The biggest drawback to this is the fish does not survive the harvest.


6 posted on 11/25/2005 5:05:16 PM PST by southernerwithanattitude (new and improved redneck)
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To: grundle
An interesting lesson for Economics 101.

Hunting animals in the wild makes their populations get smaller.

Raising animals on private farms makes their populations get bigger.

Only problem is that fish farmed salmon is a pale imitation of wild salmon. Expect the same for fish famed caviar

7 posted on 11/25/2005 5:07:45 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: bill1952; grundle

You're both right- and both wrong. Population assay and management can be used to increase the population. Other factors come into play as well. Controlled harvesting is one tool in management.


8 posted on 11/25/2005 5:14:43 PM PST by fat city ("The nation that controls magnetism controls the world.")
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To: grundle

"Go ahead, Rove, you fascist. Try and ban me!"

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"Yeah, Rove. This means wahr!!"

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. Um, dipsticks, that's beluga not Begala.

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9 posted on 11/25/2005 5:34:57 PM PST by Roscoe Karns
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To: grundle
I've had the imported stuff, and the farm raised stuff from California. If there's a difference, I can't taste it.

-ccm

10 posted on 11/25/2005 5:39:38 PM PST by ccmay
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To: TASMANIANRED

I too was curious. Your answer and more.

Marine Harvest is the world’s leading fish farming company - White sturgeon

http://www.marineharvest.com/species-products/white-sturgeon.html
As a pioneer in the farming of white sturgeon, Marine Harvest has been raising white sturgeon in the Sacramento Valley of California since the early 1980s.

Male sturgeon are harvested for their meat when they weigh about 10kg. Females that are selected for caviar production remain in the fish farm an additional 5–7 years before they mature and the caviar can be harvested.

White sturgeon meat is a nutritious delicacy and is available as whole fish, bullets, skin-on fillets, skinless fillets and hot and cold smoked sturgeon.

When the female begins to ovulate she releases hundreds of eggs to show she is ready. She is placed on a stretcher with fresh water running over her gills, and all the eggs are removed. The female can be used for spawning again in future years, but not for making caviar.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/307591/beluga_ban_boosts_domestic_caviar_farming/

Mark Arnao, executive sous chef with Atelier, a four-star restaurant in New York's Ritz-Carlton hotel, said the caviar from farmed white sturgeon is good enough for the exclusive eatery. "The taste is really very good," he said.

http://www.fishbreedersofidaho.com/idaho_sturgeon_caviar.html

Sturgeon can grow to hundreds of pounds, and some of the farm-raised fish weigh as much as 150 pounds. The eggs can make up more than 10 percent of the body weight. But despite their bulk, caring for the fish is a delicate process. Sturgeon have no bones, just cartilage. If handled too rough the spinal cord can be damaged

Harvesting the caviar kills the fish. The entire ovary is removed and carefully rubbed across a screen to separate the eggs from the membrane. The eggs are lightly salted and packed in jars or tins.

Caviar is ranked according to a hierarchy, with the eggs from three types of Caspian Sea sturgeon topping the list. The first, beluga caviar, is the rarest and the most expensive.
Next comes osetra caviar and then sevruga caviar. Caviar from sturgeon elsewhere in the world (including America) generally follows. Caviar from the white sturgeon is said to be most similar to osetra.
Initial tastes of our caviar have brought rave reviews, and because of the environmental control a farm offers Idaho caviar may someday compete with beluga.


Idaho Alligator (Click on small pictures for a closer look!)
Our alligators are raised and processed in Idaho under our daily supervision. The meat is processed in our processing plant to our strict standards.
Gator meat is an excellent choice for health-conscious consumers. It is high in protein and very low in calories, fat, saturated fat and cholesterol.


11 posted on 11/25/2005 5:49:13 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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To: TASMANIANRED
Do the fish have to be sacrificed to get the eggs?

I don't know.

12 posted on 11/25/2005 5:56:52 PM PST by grundle
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To: dennisw
Yes. That's a good point. The taste is different.

Everything involves tradeoffs.

13 posted on 11/25/2005 5:58:26 PM PST by grundle
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To: southernerwithanattitude
Man, a ten year payoff. It would take a heap of $$ to start one of these farms!

Yes.

And that will be reflected in the price.

Tree farms take even longer.

14 posted on 11/25/2005 5:59:30 PM PST by grundle
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To: fat city
OK.

How about this?

Raising animals on private farms for profit has never caused any species of animal to become endangered or go extinct.

15 posted on 11/25/2005 6:01:49 PM PST by grundle
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To: DUMBGRUNT

If the ovary is removed how can they be useful to spawn again?


16 posted on 11/25/2005 6:02:52 PM PST by TASMANIANRED ("You cannot kill hope with bombs and bullets." Sgt Clay.)
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To: ccmay

Thanks for telling me that they taste the same to you.


17 posted on 11/25/2005 6:05:41 PM PST by grundle
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To: dennisw

I'll bet you a box of jelly doughnuts and a voyager bateau that you can't tell the difference between "wild" salmon vs "tame" salmon on my grill.


18 posted on 11/25/2005 6:10:29 PM PST by sergeantdave (Member of the Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Bait?

Judas goat?


The 2ed website says it is the end of the line.


19 posted on 11/25/2005 6:11:20 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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To: grundle
" Raising animals on private farms for profit has never caused any species of animal to become endangered or go extinct."

What about the feral dairy cow?

20 posted on 11/25/2005 6:11:51 PM PST by fat city ("The nation that controls magnetism controls the world.")
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