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Drug quandaries -
City-Journal ^ | November 21, 2oo5 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 11/24/2005 2:15:00 PM PST by UnklGene

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1 posted on 11/24/2005 2:15:00 PM PST by UnklGene
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All these problems arise from the Dutch policy of tolerance toward drugs, pornography, euthanasia, and all the rest of the culture of death and nihilism. Once you have tolerated it for a period of years, it's very hard to get rid of it.

We noticed this general atmosphere in Holland at least 30 years ago, when we visited Amsterdam. So it's had a long time to grow deep roots.

Maybe it would have been better not to let this happen in the first place.


2 posted on 11/24/2005 2:27:51 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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And Oh how the europeans were lauded by the left for their progressive drug policies. looks like it is coming back to haunt them.


3 posted on 11/24/2005 2:28:31 PM PST by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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Interesting...nothing at all in the debate about the legitimate powers of government or whether or not Pot is actually harmful... a very odd country.


4 posted on 11/24/2005 2:28:59 PM PST by gondramB
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Apparently it hasn't even occurred to the Dutch that they should lock up their criminals. If their criminals were in jail, they wouldn't be on the street drawing welfare and committing crimes.
5 posted on 11/24/2005 2:33:37 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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Yup. There's a good reason China cracked down on Opium use. Turns all your worker bees into parasites.


6 posted on 11/24/2005 2:42:33 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: commonasdirt

Haunt them? The article recognizes the status quo is a good thing. Just don't scare the horses, and we'll live with being unemployed and have a lower crime rate.


7 posted on 11/24/2005 2:43:53 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Fenris6

You'd have loved American prohibition. Opium, booze, grass, it's all the same. Right?


8 posted on 11/24/2005 2:45:01 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: DJ Taylor; Wolfie
Apparently it hasn't even occurred to the Dutch that they should lock up their criminals.

Yep, that's the trick. Spend $k a month, to save a grand... Sound fiscal gumt policy, I'd say! /sarcasm

Smoking pot is criminal, because of people like you! Go drink another 12 pack...

9 posted on 11/24/2005 2:46:50 PM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: gcruse

Study some Chineese history before you play that card.


10 posted on 11/24/2005 2:47:15 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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Study a little pharmacology before equating marijuana to opium.


11 posted on 11/24/2005 2:49:34 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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"Smoking pot is criminal, because of people like you! Go drink another 12 pack..."

It also appears that all of our criminals haven't been locked up as yet either, but we're working on it.

12 posted on 11/24/2005 2:53:06 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: UnklGene

Perhaps if the government provided free pot to known liberals, they would shut up.


13 posted on 11/24/2005 2:53:08 PM PST by Fielding ( "OTHERS HAVE DIED FOR MY FREEDOM. NOW THIS IS MY MARK." "Cpl. Jeffrey B. Starr")
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It also appears that all of our criminals haven't been locked up as yet either, but we're working on it.

Apparently you think there is something evil about wanting marijuana legal. Please educate me, with facts, that it is any worse than a bottle of scotch, or Limbaughs use of oxycontin, and should not be allowed for personal consumption (medical or recreational).

14 posted on 11/24/2005 3:01:04 PM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: gcruse

I didn't equate opium to marijuana.


15 posted on 11/24/2005 3:03:11 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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Please educate me, with facts, that it is any worse than a bottle of scotch, or Limbaughs use of oxycontin, and should not be allowed for personal consumption (medical or recreational).

There's no way to track abuse. Show me a cheap way [like breath-a-lyzer] for cops to determine if you are under the influence. Until then, its stupid to legalize the drug.

16 posted on 11/24/2005 3:04:55 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: DJ Taylor
Apparently it hasn't even occurred to the Dutch that they should lock up their criminals.

And it apparently doesn't occur to Americans, that, for all their "love of freedom", they still don't give people the freedom to smoke pot.

17 posted on 11/24/2005 3:07:13 PM PST by mc6809e
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There's no way to track abuse. Show me a cheap way [like breath-a-lyzer] for cops to determine if you are under the influence. Until then, its stupid to legalize the drug.

There'd probably be fewer accidents with pot if people switched to that from alcohol.

18 posted on 11/24/2005 3:09:33 PM PST by mc6809e
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And it apparently doesn't occur to Americans, that, for all their "love of freedom", they still don't give people the freedom to smoke pot

Or crack. Or cocaine.

19 posted on 11/24/2005 3:09:54 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: UnklGene

The problem is, if they are making money from growing, they aren't unemployed and shouldn't be getting money from their socialist nanny-government.


20 posted on 11/24/2005 3:14:20 PM PST by Bones75
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