Posted on 11/24/2005 6:30:15 AM PST by A. Pole
Swedish pastor stands now before Sweden's Supreme Court on "hate crime" charges. The charges against the pastor, Ake Green, stem from a sermon he preached on the biblical view of homosexual behavior.
While I do not agree with the pastor's stance on homosexuality, I think that it is terrible that he is being persecuted for speaking his beliefs. Sweden has become an Orwellian nightmare of a country.
The U.S. has permittes censored speech on university campuses subsized by tax dollars. In other words, it is happening here, too.
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I don't profess to having even the slightest clue as to the answer to the question posed. I do, however, have an observation (a subjective one at that).
EVERY homosexual I have ever known has a similar trait in their background. A dominant mother in the household and a weak or absent father. The mother, in some cases, has been a well meaning single mom who just pushed the control issue to far for too long. In other cases, it has been the steroyupical raving battle-axe who often sent the father fleeing or had the father cowed and brow-beaten into submissiveness.
But, every gay I've known has come from a background of the DOMINANT mother figure.
My subjectve opinion, a boy needs his father and his father needs to be a man.
Feel free to flame away. Like I said, mine is a very subjective observation and opinion.
Answer: Evil
Next question please.....
I think that there is also a group of people who become de facto homosexuals because of environmental factors, childhood trauma for example, but who were not inherently homosexual. Perhaps it is possible for some of these people to adjust to heterosexual orientation, perhaps not. Some can not; this probably depends on various factors such as the severity of the causative trauma, the personal resources of the individual involved, et al.
Its an evil mental illness. It's not genetic, that is bullshi8.
I've heard that male homosexuality tendency (underline "tendency") is fairly well explained, as you describe, but not female homosexuality.
The key idea is one may have certain tendecies, many of us have a polygamist "orientation" for example, but that doesn't mean we excuse the lecher. Neither should we excuse the homosexual. We may not choose our desires---but we DO choose what to do with them...
There is no "right" to have sex with whoever (or whatever) you want.
As he said we are now living in the days of Noah.
Look up!
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The Pastor's stance is that the Word teaches that homosexuality is a detestable sin, which may be overcome through the power of God. With what do you disagree?
That raises an important point do we only do that which we have a right to do. Where everyone clashes is in the realm of personal liberty, I have seen this on both the right and left where each defends there personal liberty while doing there utmost to deny someone else's there's.
I don't agree that homosexuality is a detestable sin. :)
The "right" to have sex with whomsoever you want is tempered by the consent of the other. You have no right to have sex with an animal or child since they cannot legally give consent. But you would certainly have the right to have sex with other adults who consent. Do you get all your rights from the government or the constitution? If so, how do you have the right to walk outside? Where is that written?
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
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Here's the "hatespeech" sermon by the Swedish Pastor. I read about a third of it, and realized I'll have to read the rest later. I think it's beautiful, true, founded on scripture, and note this at the end:
"We must never think that some people, because of their sinful lives, would end up outside of grace. Paul says about himself that he was the foremost of all sinners, but he encountered an abundance of grace and mercy. He also states in First Corinthians 6:9-11, when he lists sexual immorality with other sins, that you can be saved from all the listed sins, including sexual immorality. What these people need, who live under the slavery of sexual immorality, is an abundant grace. It exists. It is valid also for them.
Therefore we will encourage those who live in this manner to look at the grace of Jesus Christ. We cannot condemn these people -- Jesus never did that either. He showed everyone He met deep respect for the person they were, for instance the adulterous woman, in John 8, or the woman at the well in Sychar, according to John 4. Jesus never belittled anyone. He offered them grace. We must never belittle anyone who lives in sin. The sin we cannot bear -- but the human being [we must hold up]."
That's not "Hate Speech", that's Love Speech.
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This article states the scriptural verdict on homosexuality. Therefore it is God's view, and everyone will answer to him the day they die.
Did you read the article? It's not about the "pastor's stance". All he does is go directly to Scripture without putting in his own ideas and comes to the only conclusion one can logically draw:
"I have not sought support for my thoughts from the Word of God. Rather, the Word of God has given me the thoughts I will present here today."
Maybe you don't like what the Bible has to say about it.
Then we have it in Gen 1:27, "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
We can only deduce that profaning the male-female relationship is profaning the image of God.
The ramifications of that should scare the pants off of anyone.
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