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Guantanamo Bay Prisoner Sues U.S. to Get a Bible
Los Angeles Times ^ | November 23, 2005 | Richard A. Serrano

Posted on 11/22/2005 10:23:17 PM PST by RWR8189

WASHINGTON — At the U.S. prison for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, everyone can get a Koran, but no one gets a Bible.

Saifullah Paracha, a 58-year-old former Pakistani businessman with alleged ties to Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, has been in U.S. custody since 2003. Like the other inmates at Guantanamo Bay, he has a copy of the Koran. But he also wants an English translation of the King James version of the Bible.

Paracha believes that because the Bible is one of the scriptures accepted in Islam, he is entitled to a copy to read in his small wire-mesh cell. But after his lawyer shipped him a Bible, along with two volumes of Shakespeare, prison officials confiscated the package.

Paracha's American lawyer filed suit in U.S. District Court in Washington, demanding that Paracha be given the Bible and copies of "Hamlet" and "Julius Caesar." The government responded that certain books were kept from prisoners because they could "incite" them.

Whether the Bible or the Koran, prayer might seem appropriate for Paracha. The allegations against him are serious.

The government contends that through his international packaging company, Paracha conspired to ship chemical components to the United States to help set off an attack by Al Qaeda terrorists. His son Uzair Paracha, 25, is on trial in New York on charges that he tried to help an Al Qaeda operative enter the country and plan the intended attack.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclulist; bible; detainees; gitmo; govwatch; guantanamo; guantanamobay; holybible; koran; lawsuit; pow; prisoner; rop; usgovernment; wherestheaclu
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1 posted on 11/22/2005 10:23:18 PM PST by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189
By all means, give him a Bible. He needs it BAAAAD!!!!!!!!!

The government responded that certain books were kept from prisoners because they could "incite" them.

But it's okay to give them the vile Koran? *sigh* Our tax dollars at work.

3 posted on 11/22/2005 10:25:47 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: RWR8189

Personally, I'm all for giving them bibles.


4 posted on 11/22/2005 10:25:50 PM PST by Tx Angel
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To: RWR8189

Well, we know that the Bible is such a violent book in contrast with TROP Koran. /sarc


5 posted on 11/22/2005 10:26:23 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: RWR8189

If this is true, then it's a shame. There is no reason whatsoever the government could ever give for not giving this man, or any other a bible.


6 posted on 11/22/2005 10:27:09 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Tx Angel
Personally, I'm all for giving them bibles.

I'm all for giving them Korans...with pig-skin covers and a slice of bacon as a bookmark.

7 posted on 11/22/2005 10:28:06 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: RWR8189

Now THIS makes me mad. They give these terrorists a copy of their terrorist manual, but they won't give them a bible? They should offer them bibles to read while the korans are on "back order".


8 posted on 11/22/2005 10:28:30 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: RWR8189

We should give them all Bibles and flush the Korans down the drain.


9 posted on 11/22/2005 10:29:05 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: RWR8189

Hmmm, well, I'll send him a free Bible if the U.S. Gov't will accept it there for him. I'd rather he read a Bible, anyways.


10 posted on 11/22/2005 10:29:47 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: RWR8189
So this Terrorist is filing his suit in the U.S District Court in Washington aye, And just what right does this Jihadist have to be heard in our Courts?

We must put an end to this madness, an enemy combatant is nothing but a non uniformed mercenary that is not recognized by the Geneva Conventions and should be held until the War is over and only released when his country of origin will promise to prosecute him as a terrorist

11 posted on 11/22/2005 10:31:06 PM PST by MJY1288 (The Democrats have the wisdom of a new born and the vision of a still born)
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To: RWR8189

I am sure that his wanting a Bible means that he is up to no good.


12 posted on 11/22/2005 10:31:55 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: RWR8189
The government contends that through his international packaging company, Paracha conspired to ship chemical components to the United States to help set off an attack by Al Qaeda terrorists.

A shipping company, huh? My guess is that the good folks at Gitmo will be more than happy to give him their own copies of said works. This smells very fishy.

13 posted on 11/22/2005 10:32:11 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: RWR8189

I must say, I've never imagined Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar" inciting anyone to riot, but I guess there's a first for everything!!

They should give him the bible, and some extra copies for his fellow terrorists. (Oh, and give him the Shakespeare too! sheesh)


14 posted on 11/22/2005 10:32:28 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Dustbunny
I am sure that his wanting a Bible means that he is up to no good.

No doubt! And just think of the devious scheme he has for the copy of Hamlet. *shudder*

15 posted on 11/22/2005 10:33:38 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Forte Runningrock

I'm going to take a stab that the lawyer did this as a stunt, the package got to Gitmo (what, is there a PO Box?) and they immediately confiscated it. They probably didn't even know they were books until the lawsuit. There are so many details left out, I'm guessing the LAT didn't even bother to rewrite the lawyer's press release.


16 posted on 11/22/2005 10:34:24 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude

The lawyer might be up to no good. The guy requesting The Bible MIGHT want it for good or evil. He might want to use it to incite his fellow inmates and to make the job of the US military personnel tougher.


17 posted on 11/22/2005 10:36:24 PM PST by JLS
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To: MJY1288

They all should be "released" at 10,000 feet over the middle of the Atlantic with a ball and chain around their leg.


18 posted on 11/22/2005 10:36:26 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: AmishDude
I'm going to take a stab that the lawyer did this as a stunt[...]

I'm guessing that you're right on the money. I'm also wondering what he'd do with the Bible and what would happen if he decided to flush it.

19 posted on 11/22/2005 10:37:25 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: AntiGuv

Sorry, but I see nothing 'innocent' about his wanting a Bible.


20 posted on 11/22/2005 10:38:23 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: Forte Runningrock

And a Honey Baked Spiral Ham tied to their hip :-)


21 posted on 11/22/2005 10:39:06 PM PST by MJY1288 (The Democrats have the wisdom of a new born and the vision of a still born)
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To: RWR8189

He's an enemy of the US, and he has an American lawyer. Why don't we send all the lawyers to war??


22 posted on 11/22/2005 10:40:12 PM PST by Just Lori (End the leftist occupation of America!)
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To: Dustbunny
Well, except that the Christian Bible really is a scripture endorsed by Islam, although obviously preempted by the Koran.

Look, I'll cut through the crap for everyone: He wants the Bible and the Shakespeare because he's bored. Period.

23 posted on 11/22/2005 10:40:43 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Gondring

If he decides to flush it, MSM will leap to his defence and write stories with tests proving bibles are too big to be flushed.
SO are Korans, but MSM isn't interested in that obvious truth. They are only interested in defeating the USA and helping the enemy.


24 posted on 11/22/2005 10:42:08 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: Spanaway Lori
He's an enemy of the US, and he has an American lawyer. Why don't we send all the lawyers to war??

Sounds good to me.

25 posted on 11/22/2005 10:43:37 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: Gondring
I'm also wondering what he'd do with the Bible and what would happen if he decided to flush it.

Yep, there might be some desicration he's planning, to incite the other prisoners.

26 posted on 11/22/2005 10:45:52 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: Forte Runningrock
If he decides to flush it, MSM will leap to his defence and write stories with tests proving bibles are too big to be flushed. SO are Korans, but MSM isn't interested in that obvious truth. They are only interested in defeating the USA and helping the enemy.

Exactly the reason I thought he was up to no good.

27 posted on 11/22/2005 10:46:08 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: Dustbunny

BTW, I am not suggesting that he be given the Bible and the Shakespeare because I care about his boredom. It's just as I see it the more Western civilization they're exposed to, the better. It's especially true for the ones that end up being released, as a number have (whether they should have been is a whole 'nother question).


28 posted on 11/22/2005 10:47:25 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: RWR8189

It's unbelievable that he needs to sue to get a bible. This sounds like a job for the ADF and ACLJ to make sure that every cell has a bible.


29 posted on 11/22/2005 10:47:30 PM PST by Mogollon (Contempt prior to investigation assures Everlasting Ignorance)
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To: RWR8189

He only wants a Bible to rip out pages from and whip his a~s or jerk off onto in front of the guards. Typical for the LA Times to fall for and promote it..


30 posted on 11/22/2005 10:57:28 PM PST by elfman2
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To: RWR8189

"Paracha believes that because the Bible is one of the scriptures accepted in Islam, he is entitled to a copy to read in his small wire-mesh cell."

I don't buy it. Most of the fundi Muslims consider the Bible (and the Torah) to have been distorted and changed and therefore essentially worse than useless. This is what they say in order to explain away the discrepencies that arose due to Mohammed's lack of familiarity with those scriptures.


31 posted on 11/22/2005 10:59:22 PM PST by Avenger
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To: jan in Colorado; RS; USF; Fred Nerks; ariamne

Ping


32 posted on 11/22/2005 11:07:18 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Tx Angel

I'm all for giving them Bibles.

When told that they can have Korans. they should also be told that they are FREE to have Bibles (Judaic as well as Christian). Give them the option on Buddhist and Hindu texts as well.

Introduce them to the concept of religious freedom. Tell them that they are not faced with execution for converting away from Islam, like they are back home. Their Nazi death cult should not be championed. Not all muslims are Islamonazis but THESE in custody are. They act violently to spread their faith.


33 posted on 11/22/2005 11:08:20 PM PST by weegee (Christmas - the holiday that dare not speak its name.)
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To: AntiGuv

"I must say, I've never imagined Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar" inciting anyone to riot, but I guess there's a first for everything!!"

Have you forgotten why Caesar blurted out, "Et tu, Brute"?


34 posted on 11/22/2005 11:10:40 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Dustbunny
Yeah. I'm willing to let the military make the judgment call on this one.
35 posted on 11/22/2005 11:19:23 PM PST by GVnana
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To: Gondring
Hey, don't ask me, I have as much time for lawyers as I have for terrorists...and even if I was a terrorist myself, the last person I would ask to send me a bible is my lawyer..LOL!

You can't make this stuff up!

(Whoops, they just did!)

SEND HIM A COMIC BOOK

http://www.theshepherdsvoice.org/islam/mohammeds_believe_it_or_else.html

36 posted on 11/22/2005 11:24:33 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Aussie Diggers and Marines Never Cut and Run; Cowards do!)
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To: Forte Runningrock
They all should be "released" at 10,000 feet over the middle of the Atlantic with a ball and chain around their leg.

No ball & chain needed from 10k feet. A friend of mine who served in 'Nam used to call that "giving 'em flyin' lessons". If they learn to fly before hitting the ground, they'll be just fine. The next one in line gets REAL talkative then!

37 posted on 11/22/2005 11:33:51 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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Give the guy a bible and the collected works of Shakespeare. Give them Atlas Shrugged and even Harry Potter.

As long as there is no contraband inside of them, even if they are really asking for them to 'desecrate' I don't really care.... Because if just ONE of them should accidentally learn something, and become a decent human being instead of an islamist murderer, it is worth it.


38 posted on 11/22/2005 11:35:02 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: RWR8189

We must be winning hearts and minds there if they are starting to file nuicense lawsuits just like prisoners in US prisons


39 posted on 11/22/2005 11:40:22 PM PST by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: RWR8189

The Gideons missed a spot!


40 posted on 11/22/2005 11:47:49 PM PST by BurbankKarl (NRA EPL)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

not a bible...just the new testament


41 posted on 11/22/2005 11:55:26 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (admittedly too unstable for public office)
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To: wildcatf4f3

Just what I was thinking.


42 posted on 11/23/2005 12:01:13 AM PST by skr (Shopping for a tagline that fits or a fitting tagline...whichever I find first.)
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To: RWR8189

He wants an "English translation of the KJV?" The KJV is in English. It's kind of archaic, but I'd hardly call any of the updates translations. Most "Authorized Versions" are really 19th century updates, anyway; only hobbyists and collectors go for the 1611 version. I wonder if this guy is a KJV-onlyist? Muslim society tends to lack the textological inquiry and debate present in Christian scholarship.


43 posted on 11/23/2005 12:11:58 AM PST by Caesar Soze
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44 posted on 11/23/2005 12:26:23 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Caesar Soze
One thing I always wondered about was Muslims say they believe Jesus was a prophet, just not the Son of God. How do they square the Bible teachings about Jesus if that's so. He said, "I and the Father are One.", and "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father." Clearly blasphemy if you believe Islam. He also talked of false religions that say He didn't come in the flesh. He performed miracles, raised the dead, actually more than Mohamed allegedly did.

Seems to me an important figure like that should be studied, and yet the Bible is forbidden in Arab lands.

45 posted on 11/23/2005 12:29:18 AM PST by chuckles
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To: RWR8189

They should flush those Korans down the toilet and give 'em all Bibles.


46 posted on 11/23/2005 1:04:52 AM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: RWR8189

Give them Bibles, let them compare the Koram and the Bible for themselves.


47 posted on 11/23/2005 1:15:54 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: AmishDude

I have another question. Why the King James Bible? Why not the Revised Standard or the New American? How would a Muslim know the difference? Why would he specify that version?


48 posted on 11/23/2005 1:19:32 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: AntiGuv

"He wants the Bible and the Shakespeare because he's bored."

I could have sent all my paperbacks of Dickens down to those clowns. A little western civ would do them a world of good imho.


49 posted on 11/23/2005 1:48:08 AM PST by jocon307
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To: RWR8189

Something smells, and it sure isn't Koran stopped up toilets. The point here isn't to get a bible - something that likely could be supplied by most any guard. The point is to get packages shipped in to prisoners, the door opening for the International Red Cross to get involved.

Of course, perhaps the point is to get the bible to incite other prisoners.. But I'm betting on the package being the point, not the contents.


50 posted on 11/23/2005 1:56:45 AM PST by kingu (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare - a conservative that votes.)
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