White Supremacist Wants To Bankrupt N.Y. Town

ClickonDetroit ^ | November 19, 2005

[ShadowDancer]

White Supremacist Wants To Bankrupt N.Y. Town

POSTED: 6:22 pm EST November 19, 2005

KINGSTON, N.Y. -- A white supremacist radio talk-show host said he wants to bankrupt the city of Kingston, N.Y.

Hal Turner organized a rally Saturday that drew about 50 supporters, 100 counter demonstrators -- and as many as 200 police officers.

Turner invited the Ku Klux Klan and similar groups to help protest recent attacks on white students by black students at Kingston High School. Police have said the attacks were not motivated by race.

Turner figures the city would have to pay $100,000 in overtime for security. He said his supporters will come back "again and again" until they bankrupt Kingston.

The mayor of Kingston said race relations there are no different than in any other community.

Kingston is 60 miles south of Albany.

[ClearCase_guy]

I'm not sure I agree with the tactic. But having said that, it's always disturbing to see a white-on-black crime portrayed as Racist Violence 100% of the time, while black-on-white crime is just a crime, with no racial component. 'Cause blacks can't be racist, ya know.

It would be good for the country to realize that it goes both ways.

[vetsvette]

"attacks on white students by black students at Kingston High School. Police have said the attacks were not motivated by race."

Nope, wrong way around.

[the_rightside]

"Police have said the attacks were not motivated by race"

That's a bunch of BS.

[peyton randolph]

Being NY, a RINO heartland, Pataki will make sure that tax money is given by the state to assist the municipality.

[micho]

If not motivate by race, then what are they motivated by??

[ßuddaßudd]

Pure simple economics maybe, or maybe not.

[A.Hun]

Found this link that has a pretty good description of what is going on.

http://www.ulsterpublishing.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=355807

The writer is a lib for sure, so take with a grain of salt.

[satchmodog9]

That's the real lie of hate crimes. A crime is a crime is a crime. Giving special status to one group or another in the eyes of the law violates the equal protection clause. Assault is still assault regardless of the motivation behind said act. I don't know if the crimes were racially motivated, but if they were there should be no law punishing them differently than any other assault. The media will always fail to tell the real truth to foreword an agenda. It seems factions of all races hate each other and it is not exclusive to white people. The left and their mouthpiece media want us all to think bigotry and racism is an exclusively white disease.

[Labyrinthos]

"attacks on white students by black students at Kingston High School. Police have said the attacks were not motivated by race."

According to a cop I know, the kid was allegedly beat up, not because he is white, but because he's a first class a-hole. The best evidence of the kid's unlikable persona is that his mommy ran to Hal Turner after the incident. Hal Turner is a neo-nazi, racist anti-semite, who runs an obscure Internet talk show/web site. The fact that his mommy even knew enough about Hal Turner to give him a call strongly suggests that she shares the same racist and anti-semite opinions and beliefs. Apparently the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, because from what I have heard around town, the kid apparently doesn't appreciate black and Jewish people either, and that he has made his views known. While that's no excuse for beating the crap out of the kid, if what I have heard is true, I can't feel sorry for him either.

[TheBattman]

EXACTLY! If a white person murders a black person - how is that more horrible than a white person killing a white person, or a black person killing a black person?

Any way you slice it, someone is dead, and someone did the killing.

What's really amazing - the biggest racists of all are the supposed "diversity-loving" liberals. They continue to use and play the race card, promote programs that keep minorities dependant on the government and on "programs".

[satchmodog9]

I agree they should be applied universally if they are to exist. I just feel we already have laws making certain things illegal. When we start making laws protecting groups from each other because of "hate" you will get the law of unintended consequences applied to a lot of things. An example would be some countries in Europe as well as Canada are riding hate laws into banning the Bible because there is perceived hate against homosexuals. Laws have a habit of snowballing.

[muir_redwoods]

Another examp,e of wrong way around is reverse discrimination. I always object to the term "Reverse Discrimination". There is no such thing as reverse discrimination. Discrimination against white males is discrimination. Period.

[my2cent]

I thought this was a Southern thing??

[Melas]

I'm not sure I agree with the tactic...

You're not sure? Alriiiiiighty then.

[scan58]

but there's a difference between being targeted because you have a bulging wallet, and being targeted because of your race or sexual orientation or because you are a catholic or whatever

I would like to know what you believe the difference is and why each should be treated differently.

[Always Right]

Why not Ithaca?

[John D]

The same goes with the UNCF. A while back a group tried to start a White college fund and were branded as racist.

[coloradan]

Can you cite one single example of a "hate crime" law being applied universally? In the history of the entire earth and human civilization?

[BenLurkin]

Chances are they'd go ahead and rob you too.

[Seamoth]

What other advocacy group do whites have?

So, you're not disapproving of them running to the KKK. Noted.

[nj_pilot]

I'm with you on the "thought crime" aspects of hate crime statutes, but then should we distinguish between premeditated murder and manslaughter? Killing someone is killing someone, after all. Perhaps the original intent of hate crime laws was right - say, for example, that the murder or assault was intended to terrorize a group, so it is not just the murder or assault on the victim, but the attempt to victimize a larger group that is the hate crime. Dunno; not a lawyer. But whatever the intent, these laws have morphed into politically correct thought-crime.

[SauronOfMordor]

I would like to know what you believe the difference is and why each should be treated differently

Looking at his posts on other threads, "Two Face" is a Leftist who's OK on the idea of "eating the rich" and "sticking it to da man"

[sgtbono2002]

Note anything you like. I have no use for the KKK, I also have no use for the NAACP , as far as I am concerned they are two peas in the same pod.

[SauronOfMordor]

So, you're not disapproving of them running to the KKK. Noted.

At the risk of getting banned: There aren't that many groups out there willing to take the "incorrect" side in any black/white confrontation. Until and unless a more "mainstream" group evolves, then people in such a black/white confrontation are going to turn to the only groups they see taking that role, which is going to make such groups stronger

I keep giving this example: in 1920's Germany, the middle class was getting scared of the Communist agitators and street fighters who were openly trying to impliment a Communist revolution in Germany like the one in Russia. When a man came forward who was able and willing to organize his own bunch of street fighters to wade in and bust Communist heads, the middle class flocked to him and put him in power, because he was the only visable alternative to submission

[napscoordinator]

I am disappointed in all the posts on this. I don't want a White Superemacy person representing me. I can't believe that you are not upset with this guy. We should never go with a guy like this slime! Just because we are conservative does not mean that we want to be represented by this filth.

[Buffettfan]

Notice how crimes against whites by blacks are NEVER racial or classified as hate crimes? When it's the other way around, the liberal media makes it the lead story for a month.

[napscoordinator]

Maybe they did there homework and found out that certain cases end up being hate crimes and certain ones don't. I doubt hightly that blacks go out and beat up whites just because of the skin color. I have never seen this. Whites are always more likely to hate just because of skin color in some areas of the country.

[Seamoth]

There aren't that many groups out there willing to take the "incorrect" side in any black/white confrontation.

It takes two to create a confrontation. Do you really think that racial tensions will ease if we rally behind a NAAWP facing off the NAACP? If not, then what is your goal?

[Old Professer]

"Outreach," a true bastardization of not just the language but the meaning therein; assistance, freely given is an ancient concept while the modern notion is that everyone who isn't drowning has a line to cast while the lifeboat is already full.

[Seamoth]

Okay... deep breath.

Bringing in the KKK has to be the absolute worst solution to address the problem at hand: black students bullying whites. It will only give these students even more justification to beat up the whites. In fact, it has the potential to start an outright race war... which is something that only racists want.

Why don't the parents care enough to move to another district? Yes, it's an injustice caused by the public administration officials... but guess what... there are thousands upon thousands of injustices going on at every other public school. In the end it comes down to the PARENTS failing in their job to protect their children, and that is true of all victims of bullying, no matter the motive.

[SauronOfMordor]

Why don't the parents care enough to move to another district?

What happens when parents run out of other districts to run to?

[SauronOfMordor]

It takes two to create a confrontation.

You are entirely correct. In the face of aggression, you only get a confrontation if you stand up to the aggressor. You can avoid confrontation by running away or submitting

It's just that some people are not interested in running away, and equally uninterested in submitting

There are three kinds of peace: the "peace" of submission/retreat, the peace of everybody liking each other, and the peace of "regardless of how much you may not like me, I am NOT to be f***ed with!".

When dealing with people who are not inclined to like you, regardless of how hard you might try, it winds up to just two kinds of peace

[Seamoth]

What happens when parents run out of other districts to run to?

Public education's the only way?

These students at least have the benefit of Hal Turner's captive radio audience... if Hal Turner so chose, the viewers could finance their education at a private school rather than a race war. There are many white kids in 100% white schools that are being beaten & bullied everyday that no one will ever care about.

[Seamoth]

It's just that some people are not interested in running away, and equally uninterested in submitting

And some people are interested in solving problems.

These are inner city ghettos and running away will be the best thing that ever happened to the kids.

[MaryFromMichigan]

assault may be assault may be assault; but there's a difference between being targeted because you have a bulging wallet, and being targeted because of your race or sexual orientation or because you are a catholic or whatever.

It is perfectly legal to hate anyone you choose.
Hate is legal. Assault is not.
I don't care how anyone "feels" as they rob or beat someone.
We can't read minds or see into a person's heart.
It wouldn't matter if we could.
It's the action that of judicial interest.
You can hate all you want.
A crime is a crime no matter how the perpetrator "feels" about his victim.

[SauronOfMordor]

These are inner city ghettos and running away will be the best thing that ever happened to the kids.

Usually, somebody who is in these neighborhoods is there because it's the only place they can afford to be.

I grew up in such a neighborhood. I was one of three white kids in my class. I started carrying a knife in 6th grade

I learned the way to live peacefully was to (1) not go looking for trouble, and (2) not be somebody who it is safe to f*** with

[scan58]

Good reply. Assault is assault and dead is dead. It is just as wrong to kill someone because you want their money as it is to kill them because you hate their color. Why must lefties always consider a criminal's "feelings" when judging the crime?

[antisocial]

"In fact, it has the potential to start an outright race war... which is something that only racists want."

Oh, you mean like these racists?

http://www.millions4mumia.org/

[MaryFromMichigan]

Thanks.
I don't understand it either.
If a person is murdered, is the victim somehow more harmed if the perp hated him because of his race or killed him because he was an easy target?
Don't all perps feel animosity towards their victims?

[Seamoth]

Yup, just like those racists.

[Seamoth]

Usually, somebody who is in these neighborhoods is there because it's the only place they can afford to be.

And, they can afford it only as a result of cultural or lifestyle choices.

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, and I'll refrain from passing judgment on your parents/guardians; certainly your parents didn't have access to the wealth that we have today.

However, these days, all it takes to get an apartment in a "safe" neighborhood is an ability to hold onto a job, any job. There are plenty of jobs in plenty of 100% white neighborhoods. Betcha the parents of these kids are huge losers, literally and figuratively.

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